Travis County Commissioners Court

June 12, 2012 - Item 21
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21, receive briefing on the Travis County land, water and transportation plan background report.

>> Good afternoon, judge.

>> Good afternoon.

>> Randy knuckleson with tnr in the planning department.
The llano water transportation plan is kind of at a benchmark in terms of our planning process, so we wanted to bring a brief information to the court and update you where we are in that process.
So today we'd like to kind of go over the plan components again with you, talk about the plan background, which is what we're winding up, and then talk about next steps in the process.
One of the things in the plan background that we tried to share with the court today was kind of like three elements, I think they're important to the court.
One is kind of where the county has been historically, with their land, water, transportation and particularly the planning efforts that have gone on in that area.
Some of the community input that's been received over the years, where we are today with the county's resources, natural resources, transportation and land resources.
And then some of the trends, where we've headed over the last few years.
And then finally the next phase of the plan, we'll talk to you a little bit later after a short presentation.
But the main focus today is just to advise the court on where we are in the process and go over some of the findings of that plan background.
This sets the foundation for the next phase of the plan.
With that I'll turn it over to wendy.
She's been our project manager on this, and doing a great job as well as all of tnr staff that's contributed significantly to the report, so I'll turn it over to wendy and let her go through some of the background information for you.

>> Good afternoon, Commissioners.

>> Good afternoon.

>> Judge brings co.
I thought I'd -- brings co.
I thought I'd start with a quick review of the plans we presented to you before, three parts, three volumes, background report which we're going to discuss today, which leads to the policy document and then the third one being the public input report.
Background report provides information about the planning context, public opinion and then a summary of all the plans, the rules and ordinances that are relative to land, water and transportation planning.
Let's see.
This was developed with three audiences in mind.
That's the public.
We see it as something that can be really informative, educational that they can pick up and maybe not read the whole thing but get some interesting information out of, and it really helps explain the context of decision-making and policy-making at the court.
So it also audiences the court.
This is the foundation, the rationale for the policy that we'll be developing, and then it's also for staff to really foster, as steve jobs says, deep collaboration between the different programs and divisions.
Because the background report is 200 and some pages, we needed to have something that summarized it, so we worked on it.
We have a conclusion chapter that's not yet in the report, but we borrowed from strategic planning to do a swak analysis, and swak analysis, the planning group set down in a workshop in some subsequent meetings identifying what are the strengths and weaknesses of the organization, tnr and the county, what are the opportunities and challenges that are out there in the environment that we want to take into consideration, and that captured the key parts of the larger background report, and it also gave us an opportunity kind of to do a check on did we get everything in the background report that we needed.
Now, the -- do you want to -- we'd like to hand out that conclusions chapter, which is hot off the press, so it's a draft that the entire planning team hasn't seen yet, but it's really an attempt to take the swak and -- do you need another one?
So this is really -- it's an effort to make a narrative out of the swak analysis, which is a list of just brainstorming ideas, so it's repetitive, it's not always phrased in the most -- it's okay for discussion, but not readable.
So I'll start -- you have the conclusions report so I'll start right into it.
One of the first things that -- or one thing -- a theme that came through throughout the process is that Travis County, unincorporated Travis County has a unique character derived from its natural resources, so we see ourselves as having a very strong sense of place, in part based on our water, our lakes, our rivers, springs, natural pools, the rural character of having working farms and ranches, and then we also have four eco zones, eco regions within the county, which is unusual.
So we have -- you know, in far west Travis County the balcones canyonlands known as the hill country, west of the balcones escarpment, and eastern Travis County is predominantly black land prairie.
You also have this little nodule coming into the county on the east side that's the post-oak savannah, and that's where will barker creek is sitting.
So our picture in the upper right-hand side corner is the broken bow ranch, and at the colorado river you have what they call the floodplains and low terraces, where you have like very dense vegetation along the rivers and in these broad floodplains.

>> For those of us interested in trying to follow you, should we be looking at the thick one or the one you has noted out today?

>> The one I -- the one you handed out today?

>> The one I handed out today.
The broad headlines.
It's not going to follow it exactly, okay, so we're now on a wealth of natural resources.

>> Should we be looking for a beautiful picture?

>> No, there's no beautiful pictures.

>> You might want to be looking at the bottom of the monitor, that's with the pace --

>> The pictures aren't in here?

>> No, the pictures aren't in here.
That draft -- well, no, it has the maps in there.
It does not have the photographs.
That's going to be something that will -- as we do our desktop publishing we'll make it a prettier package.
Okay?

>> That's something we have to earn.

>> [laughter]

>> Are you ready?
So wealth of natural resources.
We have in the county -- we're not built out, we have land for development and for conservation.
In terms of geology, we have along the colorado river the sand and gravel deposit where aggregate mining is occurring, a nice little prehistoric feature is the pilot knob extinct volcanic in southeast Travis County, and then we also have the edwards limestone, which is, you know, an important recharge area.
We have prime agricultural land in eastern Travis County.
We have an incredible water supply.
You know, Lake Travis is notable because of its large capacity to hold drinking water, and it really is key to the economic vitality of the community as well as the local lake-related economy.
Floodplains.
We have these floodplains in eastern Travis County, and although they are disturbed from road construction and agricultural use and mining, they still have this -- if preserved, if restored, as we plan to do, through our greenway initiative, they have great value.
Their natural functions will be restored to help mitigate damages, storm water and recharge groundwaters and filter water.
Then we have the aquifers, the trinity outcrop there, the large yellow-orange area, it's drinkable water, and then you have a section of the -- let's see -- the trinity that also has drinking -- drinkable water, and then again there's a locally significant colorado river aquifer, but that's really locally significant, and I'll talk about that a little more.
Other than that, eastern Travis County doesn't have a large aquifer water supply, and water has to be brought in, as you all well-known, I'm sure.
-- well no, I'm sure.
This is also -- we're presenting -- a lot of this isn't new to you but we're presenting this to you as what we want to present to the public.
So -- charlie, do you want to talk about population growth here a little bit?

>> A little bit of the demographic overview that's in the background report.
Travis County is being -- has been rapidly growing as you all are well aware in the last ten years, in 2010 Travis County was 1,024,000.
That's a 26% increase over the 2000 population.
Travis County, as you probably have heard, is the fastest growing county of Texas's five most populous counties in the last decade.
This growth has increased recently.
We saw a report that between April 2010 and July 2011 an additional 39,000 people had been added to Travis County, which is a 3.8% increase.
That growth is forecasted to continue.
The campo plan, which is the forecast that the land and water transportation plan will be using, estimates in the next 25 years that that population will grow to about 1.5 million by 2035.
That equates to about 58 persons per day every day per 25 years.
And just to go back and show that recent period between April 2010 and July 2011, where 39,000 persons had come in, that rate is about 81 persons per day.
So if we continued at that rate, the 1.5 million would be low-balled.
And so where is the population going?
If you can take a look at the next picture, or map, slide, what this map is showing, we showed it in the bond, is the 2010 population, which is in magenta, and the additional incremental population that's occurring by 2035, a lot of that population is occurring along sh 130 corridor.
It's also occurring in southwest Travis County along 71 west, in the bee cave area.
This is where it's being forecasted by campo, but also south of Lakeway, up along northern shores of Lake Travis and valente also, lago vista and Jonestown.
And eastward, sh-10 corridor is the main a attracter and eastern sections of Pflugerville.
Also in southeast Travis County we learned since this forecast about large mud's that are occurring, the pilot knob mud's off the old karma mud and also the rio dabida.
So also those areas we expect will be attracting growth in the next 25 years.
Rio davida.
Now, just a little bit on -- we did a little look at race and ethnicity, and looking today, I've seen where health & human services has released their 2010 census information, and looking at that information we're going to try to blend the two together and come up with a good product.
But I just want to hit a couple of highlights.
Hispanics' share of Travis County population is increasing from 28% to -- in 2000 to 34% in 2010.
Overall the population of Travis County is aging.
In upcoming years it will be a rapid increase in the elderly and that will impact support programs, especially for lower income individuals.
Finally, just a real quick note on poverty, as was discussed this morning.
19% of Travis County residents are living in poverty and that has increased from 13% in 2000.
Some of the highest property rates are found in the hispanic and african-american children.
Those rates are at 37 and 44% respectfully, and a lot of the children under 5 years of age.
So those are some of the factors we wanted to highlight today that are in the background report.
I'll give it back to wendy.

>> Okay.
So there's no more photos or pictures so this will be dry.
But also, obviously I'm not the expert on this.
This is again things that came out of our swak so there are folks in the audience that can answer any questions.
Given the population growth -- we looked at -- one of the things are what are the impacts on land and water resources.
Will loss and fragmentation of the land is one thing we're seeing, is particularly critical when you look at endangered species as well as farmland as well as other sensitive lands.
Land use conflicts, it's the nature of the beast.
So we have transportation versus natural resources, such as the campo designated center at four corners and 620 is viewed as having conflict with the endangered species habitat that's nearby.
Aggregate mining versus natural resource protection.
You know, we have impact of aggregate mining on wildlife habitat, riparian areas and it's the consumption of sand and gravel which is part of the aquifer there.
Aggregate mining versus quality of life of people living there, landfill, sludge disposal versus quality of life of people living near there, industrial use such as the sun coast fuel storage and distribution center versus quality of life of nearby people, and then new development versus endangered species habitat and the type of problems that can happen relative to erosion and trespassing on properties.
So land use conflicts.
Also have soil erosion problems, as there's more impervious cover with urbanization, and we've witnessed that with -- it's particularly a problem on eastern creeks where the soils are easily eroded so walnut creek is an example of that.
In general degraded water quality because of more runoff, contaminated run awful, stressed water supply, worsening hazards, increased flows and velocity of water, and then the wiel land urban interface worsens as that expands, so you have more people moving to areas that are susceptible to wildfires and are not easy to have emergency access to help there.
Development considerations.
Another theme that came out, land forms, habitat, and bodies of water can influence where we put transportation infrastructure, and for instance, in the west we have the terrain, the canyons, the lake and the river, and endangered species habitat that can interrupt connectivity between subdivisions or transportation connections.
And in the east we have the floodplains and again the colorado river.
With respect to geology and soils, you know, in the west we have really shallow soils, rocky, so it's difficult to construct roads and trails and put in infrastructure, but much easier to maintain.
Eastern Travis County, although it's not exactly easy to construct because you have to, you know, take measures to counteract the effects of the clay soils, there are -- our -- there are major problems with maintaining roads and trails and infrastructure in the eastern part of the county.
Endangered species habitat, well, obviously you know you can't build during nesting season, for one thing.
Water supply, well, in the west, we do have wells, people can use, you know, well water and aquifer.
There's a permitting process, there is some expense associated with that.
There is more expense in times of droughts when people have to drill deeper.
And in the east we have a very limited aquifer supply with the colorado river aquifer.
So there's costs associated there with bringing water.
And flooding, you know, we do have to -- obviously there's construction restrictions on building in the floodplain, and then with respect to parks, parks are cited near bodies of water.
We have to build in the floodplain so we either have to absorb the cost of building structures for inuneducation or replace -- inundation or replacing damage to equipment and structures.
Demand for tnr services, people want to see the county have a greater role in managing growth.
That came out of the new stats survey and they come to the county asking for that.
There's demand for infrastructure, parks infrastructure, close to home as well as more distant regional natural resources.
Primarily in western Travis County.
Transportation infrastructure needs, land conservation.
We have people -- obviously our new land conservation easement program came about because people wanted it.
We see in particular people in will barker creek area in southeast Travis County having made demands for land conservation, and then water resource protection, and lick creek comes to mind as a case where people came forward looking for the county to help with that.
I'm almost done.
Okay.
Travis County's toolbox, quickly, we do have -- we do have powers and authorities we can use.
We do have plans we have completed.
We have voter approved funding, we have a tif for the bcp and we do get state and federal grants.
We have processes, programs and processes in place, the bcp has really matured, and is a streamlined permitting process and a model for other endangered species habitat programs. Development services, review and permitting, instruction processes are well established.
Hazard mitigation planning, experience is really valuable for future mitigation planning such as for wildfire.
And then parks, their track record of planning and designing and constructing projects.
Internally we look for collaboration and we can look at transportation, parks and land conservation really working together and being coordinated to support desirable development patterns, and then recreational access, parks and bcp have a relationship there in in terms of parks can pick up -- relieve some of the tension -- or pressure on the bcp to provide recreational access.
And our toolbox, the partnerships.
Well, we have the lcra-parks partnership for the Lake Travis parks.
We'll be going in -- or have partnerships with landowners and land trusts and land conservation.
With controlled burns, there's potential there to have greater partnerships with like the nature conservancy, parks and wildlife.
I think the city of Austin can all assist with -- the county with controlled burns, endangered species habitat partnership, hazard mitigation.
We work with the lcra and the travis -- what is it, colorado river --

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>> [inaudible].

>> No, it's the coalition.

>>

>> [inaudible].

>> Yeah, stacy's group there, and then transportation is campo.
Roadblocks, our limited authority.
We want to -- unable to regulate development outside corporate limits as rigorously as we'd like.
Need to implement building, residential building codes.
We'd like to assess impact fees for transportation needs outside of development, and we need standards for construction site runoff.
So -- need for more planning.
The hazard mitigation plan needs to be updated for the wildfire hazards.
We need a comprehensive flood mitigation program because the drainage basin study doesn't provide that comprehensiveness, and then we need a collector plan and also there's been talk about a road and park comprehensive bike-pedestrian plan.
Collaboration, there's always rooms to improve collaboration between programs and divisions in the department.
Skill sets.
Some examples of this is parkland managers, is we grow our greenway initiatives and have more natural areas, and then also the eastern parks have really specialized needs in terms of maintenance for infrastructure, such as irrigation, more so than western parks do, and then a hydrogeologist to work with some water quality issues.
Funding, additional funding for o & m, programs and processes, room for improvement.
I didn't highlight any there.
Oh, I see I have -- oh, here, programs and processes, so we -- there's a need -- we see a need to expand or improve habitat protection outside the bcp, if I am saying that correctly.
Basis species management in our parks as well as I guess in all county lands.
A regional storm water management program is needed, and we also want to consolidate, streamline existing codes as they've evolved over the years and then also streamline the conservation development ordinance, make it a little more user-friendly.
In general, improve public awareness of county services, so for instance in parks, making the public aware that their county -- there are county parks versus city parks, which is often the case.
And then data management is seen as something the department might want to develop more.
And so we're dealing with uncertainty in terms of climate change.
Drought conditions, we know -- we don't know the length, the duration or the depth of the drought, but we do know that it impacts, you know, our water supply, endangered species habitat, wildlife habitat.
Wildfires, we -- that's kind of an unknown, again, related to drought, or impacted by drought, but also happens just as people move into those areas where they're interfacing with wild lands where there's brush and steep slopes that make it difficult to respond to.
And then federal transportation funding is up in the air.
So to close this down, we need to complete our swak analysis, and then the planning group needs to develop their issue agenda, which is like the jumping off point for the policy document and really strategic action.
So that's it for me.
Thank you very much for your time.

>> A couple questions, I guess.

>> Sure.

>> Campo last night, we talked about the lack of facilities development for bicycle and pedestrian facilities.

>> Uh-huh.

>> So -- and you mentioned that a few minutes ago, comprehensive plan for --

>> Yes, for -- well, we want to coordinate road and parks, and also obviously where there's the greatest need.

>> So is part of our long-term strategy to put in place a bicycle-pedestrian facilities plan for Travis County, which I guess would include city of Austin?

>> We would definitely want to do that, coordinate whatever we're doing with Austin and what the other communities were doing.
We did a little bit of that when we were preparing for the last bond referendum.
We need to follow and up and complete the development of a plan.
And you know the condition of the roads out there.
They're not always suitable for bicyclists, so we want to work with the bicycling community to find the roads that they most frequent -- most frequently ride and make sure that we can maintain those to -- for safe bicycling up and down.

>> The mayor said last night that they have a person, one fte, dedicated to bicycle pedestrian activities.

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>> [inaudible].

>> I'm sorry?

>> Aneek?

>> She's the

>> [inaudible].

>> And when the conversation came up, I think the policy board asked campo staff to put together a plan that enableus to more proactively address this issue in the future.
So it seems to me that Travis County should try to be a partner to that.

>> Yes.

>> Yeah.
Now, you know the different trails that we've been developing for a few years now, are they intended to accommodate bicycles as well as pedestrians?

>> They are.
And roadways as well.
A typical arterial has room for the vehicles or 5 feet on each edge for the bicycles, and on by the sidewalk, that's typical.

>> You mentioned in certain areas that we need this and we need that, so when I hear need, should I think that at some point somebody at Travis County will be working to put together recommendations for the court to respond to?

>> That I believe will be part of the policy plan, where we'll come -- we'll develop a strategy -- strategies, which will include policies and requests for funding, et cetera.
Did that answer your question.

>> Too well.

>> [laughter]

>>

>> [inaudible].

>> Any other questions?

>> Yes

>> [inaudible] toolbox.
I just kind of wonder, water is talked about a lot from the standpoint of several categories here, and certainly the water availability impacts not only our water in our parks, our lakes, and our growth as it relates to fire suppression.
And it's my understanding that the county has more authority than we exercise to get involved in the water business, one way or another.
And I just wonder if that isn't a tool that should be listed, for whatever consideration for the future, just as a tool.
And given the universal thread of water supply as it relates to our growth, our transportation planning, everything else, I'm not quite sure how you're looking at addressing that in here, but it seems like that's something that ought to be --

>> We will, definitely will.
And.

>>

>> [inaudible] a little bit, just developing the data, because of all the diversified providers that there are out there and trying to get a handle on who's providing water where.
So we're still struggling with that.
To be honest with you, I'd be hard-pressed to say we'll have all the answers for you in the next few months on that particular issue and how we include it in this plan is important, but the data is just so extremely difficult to have some foundation for logical policy making without a lot of good data from the provider.
So --

>> Maybe -- maybe it goes under some of the uncertainty out there.
But, you know, we continue to have existing subdivisions, for example, that are on wells that are stressed in the least drought, and if we're looking at our comprehensive planning, it seems like our role in water, whether we take advantage of it now or ten years from now, ought to be on the table here because if we ended up, for example, getting involved in financing in some capacity a pipeline, which the economics of course would have to work for the county, but at the same time we could underwrite that if we chose to do so.
It also augments fire protection.
It also guides development, those kinds of things, it seems like it's a very important part of at least having that thought on the table.

>> Commissioner?

>> Thank you, judge.
, you know, we kind of work as much as we possibly can trying to bring forth something that we can maybe dovetail and hopefully work collaboratively with other entities that's involved in the overall planning of this because, regardless when we look at this, there are etj considerations.
Of course the city of Austin and other municipalities have their etjs, and my concern is to make sure that, of course, we're all on the same page, but then at a higher level, we -- you mentioned earlier an example about the sh 130 corridor.
We talked about sh 71, are the growth corridors here in the community.
Somewhere along the line we're going to have to bite the bullet.
Hopefully that this legislature will give us more land-use authority.
There's no doubt about it, we don't have it here at the county.
We have very limited land-use-type situation, but also I think the city are probably strapped with some of the same concerns, not having enough authority.
Now, if he want to look at the corridor itself where a lot of the growth is taking place, what kind of growth?
How will that growth be determined?
Some of those things, even if they have to revert back to giving us authority along those growth corridors, there would have to be something done, and I want to make sure that what we're doing, if we're going to look at these plans, somewhere along the line the legislature has got to be involved one way or the other, because they are the ones that have the authority to change the law, where it would give urban counties I think a little more authority than what we have, and land use is a part of this, along with the water Commissioner, brought up the water availability.
And that's very critical.
You have only so many ccns within a county that kind of govern the water distribution within those ccns.
But even so there has to be, I think, a meeting of the minds for about -- both entities, and I think the city is probably confronted with some of the same things because of its position, its plan that it has.
Imagine Austin, for example, in looking at those things a very important and paramount within the growth corridor.
As an example we talk about the

>> [inaudible] zone, the situation where the city of Austin says, well, look, we would like to encourage development in certain areas, but even within that, the challenges are still there where development is going to go where there is infrastructure situation, but not only the infrastructure situation there, but also water being a part of that development process, availability of water.
So it just appears to me that somewhere in this process, the folks that are involved, the ccns, along with everybody else, the development community, and also the legislature, got to be married in what we're doing here.
Otherwise -- and I'm not saying it's not.
I'm just saying I think it needs to be kind of hammered on a little bit to let them know that we -- we may need a little more authority than what we have to make sure that we're going to have the potential from this court to grow in a harmonious way whereby we are all able to do something within those etjs, even within the municipality.
You mentioned Pflugerville as an example of the eastern part of that area out in the etj.
That's a big deal.
Yeah not only that but

>> [inaudible] and the western portion, of course 71.
So we're going to need some assistance in all of this.
No one should think what we're doing here is all etched in stone, it's going to happen automatically.
No, we're going to need a lot of assistance.
The state legislature is coming up now so I just think it would be a good time for us to make sure whatever we go with -- and I'm saying Austin, and other menlts in this county, we're going to face the situation to deal with the kind of short terms we have to dealing with, including water.
We're going to have to let folks be -- let them know I think we need to be aware of this.
So somewhere along the line I'm trying to tie the knot in all of this.
So I'm just -- want to lay that on the table.
Thank you.

>> Commissioner Eckhardt?

>> I'm sorry for being late.
I have a sick daughter upstairs, but I wanted to ask if it hadn't already been addressed, will we be taking a look at the city of Austin's comprehensive plan as well as any other comprehensive plans of our partners to come up with a near-term, midterm and long-term list of things we can work on together to Commissioner Davis's point as far as looking at all of our tools?

>> Definitely the strategy, to use strategic actions that would be strategies, working with legislators would be a strategy, yeah.

>> And I think -- I mean, the judge has already highlighted one area right off the bat where we could have a greater degree of collaboration with the city of Austin with regard to sidewalks and bike pad facilities.

>> Yes.

>> Probably the next five to six months we'll bring back to you the plan that outlined as wendy said, what are the strategies that you want to move forward, and so that as we start to look at campo 2040, as we start to work with the other communities and what their planning is, we're kind of in the same -- at least we're in the same arena with them and concerns are the same.
This is what the Travis County court feels like the growth guidance recommendations/policies should be, and so we have to have that back before the court here in the next five to six months.
We'll also have -- bring forth short-term some contractual relationships that we'll need to work with our public engagement process and then finally a peer review process of the final plan.
So the next five to six months are going to be pretty critical and our working with the court to finalize our efforts here in the overall planning process.
So this sets the foundation for that, and ramps us up to really kind of go into fast mode here to finish up with the court your desires in terms of policy on growth and rough management.

>> Land, water and transportation plan, that's what this is.
So do we have in mind these three components being integrated into one plan?

>> Yes, sir.

>> The bond issue, at least in the past, has projects in each of these categories.

>> Conservation, parks, transportation, yeah, drainage.

>> Right.
So as we implement the voter referendum, do we have in mind implementation of this plan?

>> That would be part of it, yes.
Yes.
I would think that -- yeah.
Yeah.

>> Because at some point some member of the court will ask, what does this do for our goal of integrating these three components in our community?
And we'd be able to show that, I guess, to whatever extent we've done it, right?

>>

>> [inaudible] project is one way of doing it and I would say for the last

>> [inaudible] we didn't have this, this document.
We didn't even have a draft of it, I don't think, at the time.
And a lot of the projects could be categorized as supporting where we are right now in the plan, but there are also several of them that were outside of that that were necessary to do, safety issues, that sort of thing.
But what I expect to be coming out of this is guidance on future capital programs, projects that are going to support what you all's goals are in the future for

>> [inaudible] management and growth.
So that's one of the things we're going to be looking for is selecting projects that do support the components of this plan.

>> Okay.
We're building on existing plans too.
We're not starting from scratch, so those plans were the -- the bond programs were based on components of that plan, so it's kind of a momentum here to do that.

>> I would say one more thing.
We did look at all the other comprehensive plans from the region, including participating on the city, so we're making sure we're not conflicting with those either.
So that's something we're also looking for.

>> The campo 2035 plan, we consider that to be a plan that we would become familiar with and not clash with, I guess, or --

>> We shouldn't -- campo 2035 as you know has the centers concept embedded in it.
We'll have the centers concept embedded in our plan as well, using the population forecast also as a guide.

>> Okay.
Anything else?

>> I wanted to clarify one thing.
We will not be coming and asking for funding as part of this, but we'd be setting priorities that would be a framework.

>> Too late.

>> [laughter]

>> She's backing off of funding.
She saw me cringe.

>> Next steps --

>> Yeah, next step, again, our staff will start working on a rough guidance policy plan and then also bringing a couple of outsource contracts forward to -- so we can get support with our public engagement process, which will happen in about four to five months from now, and then the -- a peer review, which we've also got built into our schedule and have funding.
So that's the next three, kind of the big rocks to put into the jar and we appreciate the court support, and we'll be back with you here in the near future.

>> Thank you very much.
We appreciate it.
Quite informative.

>> Thank you.

>> Thank you you all very much.
Appreciate it.

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