Travis County Commissioners Court
December 20, 2011 (Agenda)
Item 26
Item no.
26.
26.
consider and take appropriate action on request regarding county participation in parking mobility initiative.
we indicate that it may be taken into executive session under the consultation with attorney exception.
mr. Jeffreys, we also have constable elfant here as well as mr. Spratland.
and apparently a team of other people.
we have room up front for one more.
this item was on the court previously, court's agenda, we asked mr. Jeffreys to get with mr. Spratland and I guess constable elfant and take a look at it, get back with us.
I think our position today, since we don't have a specific contract but we do have a proposal is to kind of respond to that and indicate a direction that we plan to head into.
and have it back on the agenda as soon as possible after today.
but we hope the direction that we give is specific enough for -- for everyone to -- to appreciate where we plan to go.
how is that?
>> okay.
I'm county executive roger jeffreys over justice of public safety.
I'm here with mr. Craig spradling of parking mobility.
and over the last two or three weeks, constable elfant, justice and public safety and mr. Spradling and some of his colleagues in purchasing, I would like to commend them for helping us out -- have gotten together to review the ideas, the concepts that mr. Spradling has brought forth and put them in a scope of work that perhaps we could go forward with and do a pilot here in Travis County.
if you don't mind, craig, do you mind kind of talking about the -- about the ideas?
a little bit?
>> well, I conveyed them all on November 8th.
so unless the court has questions, I think all of you are familiar with the project.
is that correct?
>> yes.
>> okay.
>> okay.
well, so what we have proposed to do is a pilot program over the coming year.
we would basically reimburse mr. Spradling and his company for helping us to recruit 30 volunteers to train them in his application that his company developed and to ensure their participation in training in constable elfant's office.
constable elfant has a similar program that does not use the application at this point.
then we would ask them to submit up to 1200 citations and we could reimburse up to 5 -- or $5 for each citation up to $6,000.
basically we're paying for services provided by mr. Spradling and his company and for development of that application.
what we would like to do at the end of that is evaluate to see -- there's a number of -- there's a number of things that we could look at to evaluate the program to see if it was of value to Travis County.
do you want to talk about that tanya at all, I hate to put you on the spot.
>> what -- what we had talked a lot with constable elfant's office and came up with a 1200 in order to have sort of a comparison point and see if -- if we had increased maybe about one-third of the citations that are issued are actually fees that are collected
>> [indiscernible] with the use of this application, if we can increase fees collected on those fines.
we also think that software is a fantastic application and it's going to make it a more expedient process for those issuing the citations, perhaps with 30 sold tears we can get more -- volunteers we can get more than those issued.
it keeps the person issuing the citation in a safer place.
in the end we hope to have data compared to the 30 volunteers that constable elfant will continue to use in the same passion that they have been -- same fashion that they have been using them, compare it to the software and see if it is something that you would like to use county-wide.
>> again the overall goal of the program would be to reduce the utilization of -- of disabled parking by those who are not eligible for that.
that's what we're trying to achieve here.
>> if I may add, the -- the scope of work was only provided to us yesterday so there are ongoing negotiations.
our primary goal is to initiate a pilot so that the county can see the benefits.
it goes well beyond the importance of disabled parking.
it goes to knowledge and awareness and cooperation between the community and the county to improve accessibility for people with disabilities.
so our goal today is to get a direction from all of you to -- to initiate a pilot to see the benefits.
>> so the problem that we're trying to address is that -- in spite of many parking spaces being designated for disabled drivers, people who are not suffering disability keep using them.
and so the question is whether additional people helping with enforcement effort will help.
and what impact they'll have.
>> well, so -- so that is one -- one aspect.
another aspect is safety.
you know, for 15, 16 years, volunteers in Travis County have done their part.
to -- to report violations to constable elfant.
but they have done so at the risk of their own well-being.
and so this increases their safety in doing so.
it also creates an amazing set of metrics for analyzing the disabled parking in the county.
where it's needed.
where it needs to be improved.
where signs are not erected, where signs are defaced, making the spots unenforceable so there's a whole myriad of aspects of what parking mobility adds to the -- to the program that constable elfant has put together.
once again, it's easy to say, you know, it's easy to ask all of you to sit in a wheelchair for a day.
but -- but try sitting in it for a week or a year or for a lifetime, then you start to see the ramifications of abuse of disabled parking.
and it really is a civil rights issue.
it comes down to access.
if you go somewhere with the intent of going to a destination and you arrive and all of the spots are taken and many of them are abused, you are denied access.
not -- no different than the 50 to 60s where the right to vote, the access to life, if you are able to park somewhere, then when you want to leave, you can't because you can't get in your vehicle because someone has parked in the hash marks where you use the wheelchair ramp, you are in a sense falsely imprisoned where you are.
when you vote today, if you do vote, which I hope you do, take into effect the implications here.
it's very easy to empathize with someone that's different than yourself.
but if you can visualize what it takes to do a daily life in a chair, I hope, I know that there -- that there is opposition on the court with regard to this.
but I'm hoping that you can look beyond -- beyond ideological beliefs and think about the -- about the 16% of society that has a physical disability.
that needs disabled parking to access their everyday life.
disabled parking is a single point of failure in terms of access.
the building could be brand new construction, you know, 100% access of -- if parking is not available.
the whole thing is inaccessible.
so the -- so the -- constable elfant's program is head and shoulders above anything else in Texas.
if you want Travis County to maintain that progressiveness, you need to be the leaders in this cause.
>> constable --
>> [ applause ]
>> can you just briefly describe for us the program that's in place today and how long it's been in place.
>> sure, we started in 1995, Travis County was the first county volunteer program in the state.
and we swore in our first group of volunteers in September of 1995.
the tickets were $50.
and we wrote a thousand tickets the first year.
and a lot of publicity.
the media really helped us a lot.
we figured okay, we will do this a couple of years and then it will fade away.
fast forward to 2011, the tickets are $500.
that's tenfold increase and we wrote 1200 tickets this year.
we have 30 volunteers out there with our one deputy, disabled, to i.d.
people and see placards.
the need is there.
if we added another 30 volunteers, that wouldn't hit saturation.
30 beyond that, the need is certainly there.
I've been at the legislature a number of sessions, increasing the fines, making the statute stronger, giving us more tools.
-- but we're still writing 1200 tickets a year.
we know that the violences are so numerous beyond what we can reach.
so when craig came to us, what went off in my head, this might be a way to automate what we are doing so we can add more volunteers and expand our reach.
I don't know if it's going to work.
I'm not a computer person.
computers have to talk to each other and we have to make all of that work.
but we're certainly willing to try.
the -- the two neatest aspects of this proposal are one is that they mapped out every handicapped parking space in Travis County.
one of the things that people ask me, is, well can you just do this in-house, I think aspects of it we could do in-house, but the idea that we're going to map every handicapped parking space in Travis County is way beyond what we would be able to do in-house, so we would be purchasing access to that mapping.
my hope is if this works that we're going to be able to process tickets a lot faster and we'll be able to add a lot of capacity of volunteers writing tickets.
and hopefully we'll hit that saturation and the public will finally begin to understand that -- that, you know, it is more likely than not that you will be caught if you park illegally in a handicapped parking space or if you use grandma's placard to do so.
>> but a year from now, we ought to know whether the pilot is working or not and if we need to tweak it, we can do that.
>> that's our hope.
we insisted on several thing.
one we retain control of the screenings of the volunteers, thatter with involved with the training of the volunteers, that they continue to sign liability statements so we protect the county's interest.
and we're going to continue to maintain our current group of 30 volunteers doing the program the way that they are currently doing it so we have something to measure against in -- if it doesn't work, then we haven't destroyed the whole program for a year.
>> you know, I -- so on initiatives like this, what you hope for is -- is increased voluntary compliance.
but if you don't get that, you have got a lot more people out there on the lookout with the ability to issue citations so it's like a double edged sword.
>> absolutely, my goal is if the program goes -- that the program goes away in a year or two because it's not needed.
unfortunately, we haven't gotten there.
the increased number of people out in the community, looking out for these violations hopefully will help us get that word out.
>> Commissioner Davis?
>> thank you, judge.
you know, when this came back before the court a few weeks back, of course I had -- I had asked several questions at that time.
and I got some pretty good responses and as you know, I'm supportive of the program.
and I'm going to support it today or whenever it comes to the court for us to finallize and move forward.
no doubt about it.
but -- but let me just maybe just lay out something here that -- that I think may need to be disclosed.
as far as the -- the how of some things and especially the awareness.
how are we going to make sure that the folks that are occupying handicapped slots illegally, shouldn't be there.
be made aware that -- that this particular program is on board and -- and we're -- if the court decides to go in this direction, aggressively pursue it to make sure that -- that available slots are available to those folks that need it the most.
who -- who are -- who are -- who are unable to compete for the other slots.
how is that going to be done?
because even today as we sit here on this dais, there are folks out there that are violating the handicapped designated slots.
>> there is a violation out there right now.
I'm sorry to interrupt.
I just wanted to let you know that when I arrived here, one of the two spots were taken illegally.
>> I'm sorry, what did you say?
>> one of the two spots right out front were taken illegally when I came in this morning.
>> see, good example.
what I'm tying to make sure that the outreach of all of this, the aggressiveness of all of this hit the bull's eye because as I heard constable elfant say one day in the future we may not need it if everyone is in compliance.
it appears there's going to be a tough call for us to do.
I think the longer we wait on it, the longer it's going to take to make sure that folks understand that we mean business.
I know that I do about it.
I'm quite sure that you do.
so let me ask this question.
when, if the court decides to move forward today with this particular program, the pilot program, when would we actually see the beginning point of the aggressiveness of making sure that folks understand that they are not to park in these slots, if they aren't -- aren't eligible for the slots.
the parking lots, when will that actually, I can really start beginning to measure.
in other words, start measuring and seeing all of these things, when would that basically -- begin?
>> well, the answer in my direction, I would say it would take over a year.
I mean the thing is that the proposal that we brought to you initially, and that's what we need to discuss more with mr. Jeffreys, is that we wanted to scale it to an extent where so many people were trained to become volunteers that you are pumping positive awareness out into the society where people are aware of the need for disabled parking and the -- and the need not to abuse it.
so our -- our initial proposal is to make the -- make the current reporting more effective.
and making the public awareness more efficient.
you know, right now, there are psa's that are put out there by the city of Austin which are great, but no one ever sees them.
and there may be a writeup in the newspaper, a few times a year, especially around holiday season.
and that's great, but it's not perpetual knowledge.
and so I am -- the more people involved, the more positive awareness and education is out there.
but also, by making the judicial
>> [indiscernible] portion of the ticket transparent, which is another huge
>> [indiscernible] with the parking mobility, then you start to have effective enforcement.
you know, right now volunteers are going out there and they're writing tickets.
but they have no idea the effect of their ticket.
they have no idea whether the courts are enforcing them or not.
they only know when they get called in to defend the ticket.
so with parking mobility, we are creating transparency where people can see what the effects of their efforts are.
so as more, as the spot line shines more on the government to do its part, then you have more effective enforcement and when tickets are enforced in the $500 is levied on the violator, that person is not going to do it again.
that person is going to go around and tell their friends and family, don't do this or else you are going to get a $500 fine.
there will be a significant period of time before we see a reduction in it because there's a million people, it's hard to touch all of those million people.
that would be my answer.
>> Commissioner, I think from the evaluation standpoint, it's a great question and one of the things that -- that's incredibly attractive about the software program is that it has -- has geo coding.
we will get very targeted actionable data back on where these violations are occurring and if we see any trending, in any specific areas, and -- and specific malls, it gives us an opportunity then to maybe even engage mall security, to engage, you know, different buildings.
but we're going to get very targeted actionable data back from -- from the software program.
>> if -- I'm sorry, go ahead.
>> I would like to take a stab at that.
your question about outreach to the media, they have been very supportive of helping us publicize our efforts and before major roll stays, we usually have a press conference or some sort of press outreach to encourage people to be mindful during the holidays, so we want the media coverage to be out there in advance.
our goal is not to be able to find any tickets.
help us do that.
and the media has been very helpful with that.
the -- as to your question about when can we be up and running, I don't know for sure.
I mean, we have to recruit the volunteers, we have to train them, screen them.
and then we have to make sure that the technical, the computers are talking to each other.
you know, my hope would be, in just a few months, four or five months that, that would he could be up and running.
we could be up and running, for part of this fiscal year we would be able to see some results, but we need to get it up so it's working right.
>> in the meantime I think if the court decides to support this, this
>> [indiscernible], what -- whenever it's coming back for support, if that is the decision of the court and seeing that we are looking at a time span of a year, of course evaluation of the software is something that will be outgoing to see those persons that are not in compliance and are violating the law, it appears to me that there may be an opportunity for us to -- to project media-wise, even if we have to use Travis County, channel 17 media to let them know about this program in advance.
in other words, warning in advance that we mean business about this program.
and of course maybe it's those folks that are viewing channel 17 and other media sources can maybe get an opportunity to -- to -- to adhere this particular program and not violate the law.
so -- so that's just my point that -- at this time.
I know that there are probably other Commissioners, or persons on the court that will be able to say some other things about it.
I am in full support.
I'm going to wish you all well.
thank you very much.
>> thank you.
I just have one clarification.
I didn't want to indicate that I thought it would take a year to implement.
I thought it would take a year to see the results.
I think -- assuming reasonable collaboration, we should be online within six to eight weeks.
>> okie-doke, thank you.
>> the recommendation, I take it, is 1200 citations or the expiration of one year.
whichever comes first.
>> yeah.
>> [multiple voices]
>> if you issue that many citations in five months, we would get a status report, a chance to evaluate and --
>> yes.
>> court members, any other questions or comments?
>> I just have one comment.
I am enthusiastic about this pilot as it's been proposed.
the two biggest
>> [indiscernible] for the county are the increased volunteers and the promise of the application that could change the landscape.
for handicapped individuals in mobility.
I'm very pleased.
you had mentioned a -- a philosophical issue.
I'm very pleased that the percentage of the fine aspect is gone because that was a philosophical issue.
>> that is the term that still needs to be discussed.
however, we -- what you should -- what I asked, you can vote on today is whether you want a pilot to go forward.
mr. Jeffreys and I have not discussed the terms of length.
I still am very much in favor of a charitable aspect of the program.
that was -- that was conveyed in our meeting a few weeks ago and I'm hoping that
>> [indiscernible] will do negotiate and discuss.
what I'm asking of the court today is for -- is for direction on a pilot program going forth.
you know, with terms being finalized in a few weeks.
>> well, in that case I am very enthusiastic as the proposal is laid out today.
I would continue to have concerns if there was a -- if there was a percentage of the fine shared with the private individual or firm.
>> okay.
that's good.
>> because it is -- because it is, in spite of its incredible intentions and its promise for changing the landscape, it still is a --
>> we have to blame our lawyers, mr. Spradling.
>> I am a lawyer as well so I --
>> I think that --
>> [multiple voices]
>> all right.
>> --
>> let me just say this, though.
I don't know that we can negotiate it in court today.
>> yep.
>> no.
>> but we have lawyers who have raised issues with two or three aspects of the proposal.
and so whether we like it or not, those have to be dealt with.
>> and I look forward to dealing with them.
yeah.
>> now, my motion is that we basically indicate our intention to proceed, that we get you and mr. Jeffreys together, because we note from mr. Jeffreys memo to us that this proposal was shared with you yesterday and members of the Commissioners court so -- so none of us has had an opportunity really to carefully look at it, but I thought a discussion today was pretty important.
but we have to get with legal on do -- during negotiations and try to find out legally what we can and cannot do.
and what I have here is that we ought to target January 10th or 17th as a report -- as they report back.
if we have an agreement for the court to consider, fine.
if not, hopefully we will know what issues have been resolved, which ones are still outstanding so we can address them.
>> great.
>> now, you know, we don't take a whole lot of time off during the christmas holiday season, but we do -- work is not proceeding at the same speed that it is in June.
>> I'm a big advocate for taking time off.
>> [laughter] but, you know, generally
>> [indiscernible]
>> that was seconded by Commissioner Davis.
now, we do know that others have come down on this item.
so if you feel moved to give comments, we would like to give you that opportunity but what we're trying to do is indicate that we want our staff to put together a specific proposal for us to look at.
and -- and my hint is that commenting when it comes back may be more appropriate than today.
however, if you have come down here and wish to speak, then we will allow that at this time.
and mr. Jeffers if we could get your seat.
>> sure.
>> bruce, we probably need you there just in case there are questions.
we freed up three chairs right quick.
so if you would like to give comments, come forth.
>> my name is julie lucas, I want to say thank you for considering and moving ahead.
mr. Jeffreys has been wonderful in cooperating, we really appreciate the support behind this.
>> okay.
thank you.
>> but this is a big problem.
for those adversely affected, right?
>> it's huge.
>> right.
>> it's huge.
>> [indiscernible] there's a ticket out there on a car today that I wrote.
they are everywhere.
I think if I access to your smart phone, I probably could have written quite a number of tickets.
>> it's interesting, people are -- people that don't have smart phones, they would get one just to participate in the program.
>> yeah.
I would like to say something.
I'm mike haynes with the lone star paralysis foundation.
I was out the other night when it was raining, I was at target.
with went to n to buy something.
couldn't find a spot.
I sat out there for a few minutes, I literally texted craig and said I could write 20 tickets right now.
seems that morals decline in the rain.
and that's when we need them the most.
and I sat there and I literally sat there for 20 minutes and watched people come and go and they -- there was one placard from March of 2007.
I can't believe that you are sticking that temporary tag up there.
so I just wanted to thank you guys for your time.
but also understand that the program works -- works, the parking mobility program works because of -- because of the -- and the -- the donation part of it.
if you have people that are passionate about what they are doing, out there, and they are making a difference in the community, they are more apt to be out there writing those tickets.
I would have gotten out in the rain and written a -- written the tickets if they would have actually been tickets that were enforceable instead of just data.
I would have gotten out with my poncho and done that.
so thank you for your time.
>> thank you.
>> my name is chase beard with the coalition of texans with disabilities.
we're a state-wide member organization.
we spend a lot of time working with the legislators on different issues and -- and we strongly feel that this is something that Travis County can show the rest of the state.
actually make a difference.
talking about the safety issue, my level of injury, I was paralyzed from the neck down when I was first injured, I was told that I would probably never drive.
I gained back enough movement so where I can get out and a vehicle on my own.
I work full time and I spend a lot of time down at the capitol complex, I tell you, parking in this area really is a nightmare.
there's a lack of it.
a lot of the parking spaces are on angles that are hard enough, throw in the written and throw in the people who especially during the session will throw grandma's tag.
that means I'm a couple of blocks away from where I need to be.
really it does, it affects my daily life of going to work.
it puts me in situations where I'm unloading with cars zooming by and I don't know how often you all realize when you look out that mirror when there's a car coming by, you are waiting for that light to jump out and scoot around.
it takes me five minutes to unload my chair, that's only if my door is open all the way.
the few times that I've unloaded when there's a car parked in the hash marks, everybody thinks that I'm just going in for five minutes.
an hour later, that's when I threw my shoulder out.
then I'm spending six months rehabbing myself at a cost to me and trying to go to work to raise -- to have money for my family.
so -- so when you look at these things, it makes a huge difference in people's lives.
in Texas, we need to make a statement, Travis County can be the first one to do it, I strongly suggest working with craig on all issues.
and let's actually make a real difference.
see what we can do.
>> thank you all.
>> thank you.
>> yes, sir?
>> I'm lou terry.
as these folks have said, it makes a specific difference in my life on a day to day level.
just going to the grocery store.
a person will have a tag and they will flip it up and then they will walk out of their vehicle and the time that it takes for me to park somewhere else, there's plenty of spots open and I'll park in one of those spots and in the time that it makes for me to get out of my vehicle, get in my wheelchair and then get there, the person is coming back and they are on their way out.
and I said sir, do you mind if you don't do that in the future.
they say sorry, but it's -- it's no cost off their back.
so they drive away, oops, I did it.
but there's -- there's no teeth.
so to too these things and put teeth in them so folks know when they do that, there's going to be repercussions and they won't do it anymore.
like was previously said, the time that it takes for me to get into my car and get out, it's just wear and strain on my back, I've had five back surgeries.
and so -- so broken rods and getting in and out of my car wears down on my back over time and those things make an impact on my life.
so this is one thing that will make a -- will make a significant difference in my life.
however long I live.
thank you.
>> thank you.
>> thank you for your comments.
>> mike marsh executive director of the Texas association for independent living.
we have members across Texas and they work every day to -- to really empower people with disabilities to be a part of their community and to make those communities fully accessible.
this is one of the most amazing tools that can helpco to do that.
and I really believe that it's time for Travis County to take the lead in this, to show Texas and to show the world that we are a fully inclusive society.
Commissioner Davis, you mentioned about outreach to the community.
that's what centers do.
and it's --
>> having been a volunteer, I think it would be really great to track the progress of the tickets that you write.
the transparency part is really cool because I would write a ticket and not know what happened unless someone contested it and actually came to court.
that was supposed to change in the city of houston and Travis County.
it's also great for people with disabilities.
my brother could use this ipad and iphone pretty well but it's hard for him to write a ticket with the three copies and having enough force to write the tickets which is really helpful for people with disabilities.
and it's a little safer as well because it's pretty quick and you don't have to worry about someone coming to get you.
so I really hope that we proceed with the pilot.
thanks for your time.
>> one last thing.
in addition to -- Commissioner Davis, you asked a question of how long it would take to make the progress
>> [indiscernible].
the number one reason for the charitable aspect is to bring people who are not otherwise motivated by disability issues to become involved in the program.
that -- that will be -- that's the game changer.
you know, the individuals who are volunteering now, either having disabilities or are familiar with someone who has a disability, when you expand that base to include people that care about other causes, then you get to making the change.
I understand that's a discussion for later, but I just wanted to make that point and thank you, everyone, for considering this today.
thank you, Commissioner Gomez, for coming in with sympathy for this topic.
thank you.
>> I guess my parting thought would be how would we put together a little strategy that allowed us to get with the public entities and do the right thing.
we have security, maybe we ought to get them to issue citations, and on the front there, a security person can look out the window and see what's there and periodically check it.
if the city were to do that and we get the state to cooperate, this is sort of an aside but directly relevant to this, I mean on some of this I think public entities ought to try to take the lead.
>> private ones too.
h.e.b.
would probably train up volunteers as well.
>> I've actually spoken with the outsourced security company that does all the
>> [indiscernible] and they said they would do this in a heartbeat.
>> judge, and my concluding remarks is that, and I noticed the motion on the floor and I'm going to support this motion.
as I stated earlier, I support this program in its entirety, but what I really want to make sure that we end up doing, and I think we've heard several illustrations of what the outreach aspects have been and I think the judge hit it on some of the things, the testimony we've heard today, we've hit on several cylinders of outreach.
if there's any way possible that -- and I mentioned media, I mentioned channel 17 media, when it comes to the point that we can advertise it on channel 17 media, I really think that would be an integral part of what we're trying to get across to make folks aware of what we're doing.
and as we go through this process, there will be new slots coming on line for disabled challenged persons in this community that need those particular handicapped slots.
and I remember the person mentioned
>> [indiscernible] for example as far as some of the software aspects of this, however, when new particular facilities are brought on line, public or private sector, and we have handicapped slots to serve in these parking areas, my question is how is that done to keep an accounting of the number of handicapped slots we have here.
so that's just something I can get an answer to that later, but I'm just wondering how the accounting aspect is -- is made available, because there has been a mapping, but then again, how is that mapping updated when you have additional slots, disabled slots, handicapped slots made available for -- for our clients.
>> we are the wikipedia of disabled parking.
>> [indiscernible] when the sign has been defaced, they can
>> [indiscernible].
it's dynamic.
>> okay.
okay.
>> I think not put them on a slope.
put them where it's flat so maybe that's something we need to pay attention to as well.
and we just had two new ones added to the building out on mckinney falls parkway and they were right in front and they are even.
they came in on time and on budget.
>> we worked with businesses to help them understand what they need to do under a.d.a.
and we receive complaints all the time and we go visit with them.
and 99% of the businesses want to do the right thing.
a.d.a.
is fairly complicated and we explain it to them and they say okay, we'll get the upright sign in.
one of our aspects is work with local businesses to help them understand what's involved with the a.d.a.
and the cooperation once they do understand has been great.
>> and one last, I think on November 8th there was a misunderstanding.
>> [indiscernible] is a tool used and run by constable elfant.
we are not running this program.
we just provide the tools for his office.
so it's still within Travis County's control.
>> any more discussion on the motion?
Commissioner Huber?
>> I haven't had any questions because I'm 100% on board with this.
my mother is disabled and I've witnessed firsthand some of the problems that are out there.
I just wanted to say thank you because good programs come out of good collaborative efforts like this where you have the stakeholders working with the jurisdictions and the private sector to make the right things happen and I think all of you need good applause.
>> well, thank you very much.
>> we're looking at January 10th or 17th.
all in favor of the motion?
that passes by unanimous vote.
thank you all very much.
>> thank you all.
>> [applause]
>> and thank you, residents, for coming down.
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