Travis County Commissioners Court
Tuesday, November 8, 2011 (Agenda)
Item 25
25 is receive legal briefing and take appropriate action on request regarding county participation in parking mobility initiative.
and we are not doing the legal briefing at this time, we are receiving comments from affected residents regarding this initiative.
and mr. Spradlin is here.
what item are you here on?
>> 20.
>> okay.
real soon.
and while they are getting situated, mr. Spradlin did give us a copy of the proposal that was provided the city of Austin and he has had an opportunity to chat with some of us if not all of us regarding this initiative.
good morning.
>> good morning.
I appreciate the time.
it -- starting at the top,
>> [indiscernible] all parking is accessible and 18% of people in the u.s.
have a physical disability.
so there's already a shortage of accessible parking for those that have physical disabilities.
when someone parks illegally in a disabled spot, it creates an even more negative, add adverseimpact on that individua.
now, my friend here, ken, when he arrived this morning, he recognized that there weren't many disabled spots nearby.
and the one directly outside of the building was being violated.
he asked the clerk outside if he could report it and the clerk said that he didn't have jurisdiction.
so I went back outside to do a quick report on my phone and ironically that car was gone, but there was a truck in its place that was likewise violating disabled parking.
so even though people think that they are only running in for a manipulate, two minutes, five minutes -- a minute, two minutes, five minutes, it makes individuals like my friend have to park three blocks away on a hill to get to a meeting like this.
so that's the personal impact of disabled parking abuse.
now, constable elfant has been spearheading this effort in Travis County for some time.
I believe over a decade.
he just walked in.
he's run an amazing program.
he's very passionate about the program.
unfortunately, the administrative workload prevents him from scaling his program to the extent that it would actually have an overall impact on the county's disabled parking situation.
he has roughly 30 volunteers and they report anywhere from 1200 to 1500 tickets a year.
and that number continues to grow.
so social behavior is not shifting, it's either -- you know, it's continuing or getting worse.
to give you an idea, city of houston's program is the larger because it has more funding, but -- well, not but, but they do 7,000 tickets a year and that number grows every single year.
so what we did with parking mobility was we made the reporting process quicker and safer.
so a current person who volunteers with bruce elfant after they take the four-hour state mandated course, they have to carry around a paper pamphlet where they have to fill out a ticket at the spot that takes anywhere from 10 to 20 minutes.
if someone is more involved with their disability, it could take longer.
the longer it takes to do a report, the more likely someone is going to be confronted by the owner of the car or someone else.
and so it places your volunteers in jeopardy of being harmed.
so by making a report a putting mobility two to three minutes long, we're actually improving the safety for your volunteers.
also the report that we take with the mobility application
>> [indiscernible] is creates a much more enforceable, richer report.
it has photographic evidence, it has video evidence, it has audio evidence.
audio is particularly important in situations where there is confrontation because that can then be supplied to the constable and the constable can act accordingly to contact the individual and say, you know, not only were you parking illegally, but you may have done other crimes, for lack of a better word.
now, so we've made reporting faster and easier.
it's also more inclusive.
so someone who is a partial quadriplegic, for example, cannot fill out a current ticket, cannot fill out a paper ticket, but with a phone, so long as they can use their smart phone, they can report the violation.
so in addition to being quicker and safer, it's more inclusive.
and a large part of mobility is engaging and empowering the disabled community, bringing them together, organizing them into a unified voice on a problem that faces every segment of the disabled community.
so we make reporting more efficient and safer.
the administration is also incredibly more efficient.
right now when a -- for each of the 1400 tickets that arise in constable elfant's office, that information has to be rekeyed into your systems. With parking mobility, not only do we provide you a p.d.s.
ticket in the format of your choosing with all the evidence, photographic evidence, et cetera, but we also insert automaticallyly the data of each ticket into your i.t.
system eliminating that rekeying process so we're able to streamline and make the workload of the program even less than it is today.
>> can you just outline the steps for us?
that the initiative includes?
starting with I guess volunteers, where they would come from.
>> so essentially we are the recruitment volunteers through the philanthropic.
so bruce elfant's office has to come here on a few Saturdays each year and take time to train volunteers here.
what we're offering is we are -- we offer an online training program just like a defensive driving course or tabc certification course where they can train -- they can do the same for our training at the convenience of their own schedule.
they can do one hour at a time if they can't do all four at one time.
once they pass that training course, then they go to bruce elfant's office who then does the background check which is required by the state, and then once that individual passes that step, then bruce elfant can deputize that volunteer to become a -- to become a volunteer in this program.
so we bring in people, we train them for free.
there's no charge.
we provide the reporting tools, no charge.
the administration is all online.
so instead of a bunch of paper, it's all online.
they can filter based on volunteer, filter based on date range, and then we also provide transparency in the judicial process, which is key.
any volunteer program is prone to volunteer burnout if the individuals do not see a tangible benefit from their efforts.
so right now when someone does a report through bruce elfant's program, in a way it goes into a black hole.
the only way they know that anything has been done is if they are called to court because the recipient contests a ticket.
so the only feedback that they get, aside from bruce elfant's lauding of his volunteers, which he does, but the only feedback that they receive is negative in the form of someone contesting their efforts, so there's no positive reenforcement of their efforts.
with parking mobility, they can track their report through the entire process.
when they do a report, they immediately get an email with a link that goes to the ticket that they just wrote, so instant fulfillment.
instant satisfaction.
if they go online, they log into our website, they see all the reports they've submitted.
again, satisfaction.
now, with each report they see the status of that report, whether a fine was collected and how much, whether community service was given, and whether the ticket was dismissed.
so with the judicial process it's -- it's a huge benefit to volunteer programs, and it keeps your volunteers engaged.
and that's key for any kind of program.
now, so we -- we make it safer, we make it more efficient, and we expedite the administration of the project.
as many of you know, city of Austin council voted on October 20th to look into implementation for their program.
everyone that we've spoken with in the city ranging from the court clerk to the person running the program now to a.p.d., to a -- you know, a pretty or are -- plethora of a program think this is a no rainer of a program.
even the reporting is the core aspect of parking mobility.
it's not by any means the only benefit it provides.
finding parking is a very difficult task.
ken works on the northwest side so he came down here today and he was hoping that your website would show where disabled parking is close by.
it doesn't list anything.
he was able to go into the parking mobility app, pull up the map and see exactly where the disabled parking spots are and whether they are ramp accessible, close to curb cuts, et cetera.
it's a huge benefit for people.
now that data is shared by other users so people can add where locations of disabled parking is, so that other people can find it.
also in addition to finding
>> [indiscernible] you have suggesting where disabled parking should be.
the allocation of disabled parking spots is not ideal.
it's a work in progress.
we don't think it's got to change 200% overnight, but there needs to be a collaborative platform between the disabled community and their government to make it better.
and with parking mobility, if someone goes somewhere and they see that disabled parking is needed in that area, they can identify on the map where it should be, provide a photograph, provide a memo saying why and have the disabled community vote thumbs up or thumbs down, and then that aggregated data is supplied to the county or the city and is city can more responsibly and more actively respond to the needs of the disabled community and have, you know, some statistical analysis of where parking is needed.
lastly, in the state of Texas, a disabled spot has to have a visible vertical sign.
it's not enough that it's painted on the pavement.
there has to be notification to the person that there is a disabled spot.
there are many, many spots that do not have vertical signs, and some have been defaced, making them unenforceable.
so instead of having someone, you know, seeing this situation and trying to figure out where to call in the county or city to resolve that situation, within the parking mobility act, within 10, 15 seconds they can identify that spot as having a defaced or nonexisting vertical sign and that goes straight to the county and the city and the county and city can go out and rectify that situation and return that to an even forceable spot.
>> let me ask this question and I hope I didn't miss it when I stepped out a minute.
but let's say that one of the volunteers who had been deputized encounters a situation that was seen this morning.
so there's a vehicle parked in a disabled parking spot.
and I guess the little sign you are supposed to put in your car indicating that you are disabled wasn't there.
>> right.
>> so what would the volunteer do?
can you step us through that?
>>
>> [indiscernible] is a current volunteer with Travis County.
do you want to know what they do now or what --
>> what they would do under your program, parking mobility.
>> they would pull out their phone, start the application.
it would ask them for flee three photographs.
the first is giving the make and model of the car and the license plate.
the second photograph is the picture of the spot with the vehicle in it.
and that shows the vehicle and the vertical sign that's visible.
and the third photograph is of the front windshield that shows no placard hanging from the advisor or laying on the dashboard.
so state law requires people to hang it on their advisor.
visor.
there's a lot of people that can't do.
that someone that is a quadriplegic can't reach other and hang it on their visor so they lay it on the dashboard.
those three photographs are conclusive that car should not be parking there at that time.
at any time.
and so it logs them in automatically and each half is logged into a user that is verified.
they go in, take three photographs, click submit, that's it.
now, on our
>> [indiscernible] it looks at the first photograph, it use optical characterization for the license identification.
it inserts that into the ticket.
it aggregates other data that the app collects on its own.
the user otherwise have to write, you know, the date, time, street address, all of that information.
so it throws everything into whatever the county wants their ticket to look like and then emails that ticket to the designated recipient in each precinct.
so right now bruce elfant has to -- not has to, he volunteers to receive all data from all precincts.
and he enters it in, and then once everything is entered in, he then remails everything to the respective precinct.
with parking mobility, because everything is automated, it emails the ticket to the proper precinct making it even more efficient.
just to give you an idea, not only do volunteers in Travis County's program now have to carry around their paper pamphlets, they also have to carry around a precinct map.
so the first thing they have to do is pull out this precinct map which is color coded and try and decipher what precinct they are in, right?
for the ticket.
that can take five minutes.
so the longer they are there, the longer they are prone being confronted, and more importantly the more likely the car is going to take off.
I mean, if the owner of the vehicle sees someone reporting them, they are going to leave.
and so with parking mobility, not only are we improving safety, we're improving the report being made.
and in order to shift southeasterly behavior to fix this problem, we have to report tickets and we have to enforce tickets.
>> talk to us about the fee or fine.
>> so currently in the state of Texas the initial offense for a citizen is $500 for either parking in a spot or blocking a spot or any physical accommodation.
so if they park in the hash marks, if they block a ramp, that kind of thing, it's a $500 fee.
parking mobility is suggesting that for every fine that's collected, that -- that Travis County pays parking mobility $200.
so if Travis County collects a fee that's 1250, which is the highest fee that's allowed under state law, Travis County would still only pay $200.
so it's not a percentage, it's a flat $200 fee.
of that flat 200-dollar fee, we donate half of it to the designated charity of the person that reported the ticket.
so by doing so, we're engaging the broader community.
you know, people who have disabilities are typically people who are in these volunteer programs. For this to be effective, it actually shifts social behavior so people don't park illegally here, we need to get others involved.
so people who care about the environment or education or homelessness or whatever, they can get involved, they can
>> [indiscernible] online and they can be aware, consciously aware, you know, in their daily activities if they see a violation, they can pull out their phone, three minutes report it and be done.
and if a fine is collected on behalf of that report, then their favorite charity, their passion receives $100 for their effort.
now, I'll tell you one more thing.
just by having them take the four-hour training course will provide the awareness and education that we're trying to get out there that's going to shift social behavior.
the media that we received around the Austin vote -- the week of the 20th was tremendous.
that media awareness, you know, created the education necessary to -- to tell people there's a reason for these disabled spots.
and when you park there illegally, you really diminish access for many, many people.
and so by engaging, you know, instead of having 30 volunteers in Travis County, I would love to have 3,000 volunteers.
and the education just with the training course alone will have a huge impact on Travis County.
>> any questions for mr. Spradlin?
questions?
>> yes.
give us your name.
>> the transportation code 681.0101 is already on the books in Texas and this code allows cities and counties to operate volunteer programs to report blocking and disabled parking violations.
it's already on the books.
it requires that volunteers be a citizen, not a felon, and take the four-hour course.
they also have to be sworn in.
so the state has already set, they've already made the decision it's okay to have this program.
so I would urge you to abide by the program and support parking mobility today.
it's not a question of whether it can happen, but that it really needs to happen and the state allows that avenue.
thank you.
>> what's that criteria again?
>> it is transportation code 681.001.
cite.
>> and if I could add, that statute has been on the books since 1996 so it's pretty evident the state really cares about trying to resolve disabled parking in the state.
>> the $100 to the charity.
>> without that $100 incentive, we will not engage the broader community and you will be left with a static program where only those that are intimately familiar with disabled community are involved.
and it will not have the same impact.
it won't have anywhere near the impact without that $100 designation.
mike, do you want to say anything about that?
>> sure.
I'm mike haynes with the lone star paralysis foundation.
you know, the -- we're trying to move again social behavior.
there's already a program that's out there.
I was a part of bruce elfant's wonderful program.
unfortunately I never wrote any tickets.
based on the fact that it was really hard to do.
it was -- it was -- it was basically a hassle.
I turned back my badge in to allow somebody else in order to do that.
the --
>> [telephone ringing] -- I hate to say incentive, but the passion for people to get out there and do this, it will die.
you'll have a program of 30 people or something of that nature.
in order to move social behavior, there has to be a passion out there for people to do this.
and this is the passion that we think will serve this purpose and begin to move social behavior.
if given a ticket, you know, one time, somebody is probably not ever going to park in a handicapped parking spot again.
I know that when I received a -- you know, years ago when nobody wore seat belts, I was one of those people.
when I received my first ticket for not wearing a seat belt, I wear a seat belt every time I get in the car now.
this -- the -- the part about the -- the nonprofit coming in to help, that's where this whole program works.
otherwise you are just going to have a program with volunteers that are doing the best they can.
with this partnership with nonprofits, you are going to see this really move social behavior.
and, you know, I know if craig and parking mobility get their way, they are going to end up not making any money.
we're going to change social behavior and this is going to end up being something that -- that is talked about for years to come because we -- here in Austin, Texas we made the move to do this and to change this.
so I think it's very critical.
>> and I would like to add one thing.
volunteers, not only do they have to put time in for the training and the two or three minutes they do for every report, they also have to come down and swear an affidavit every time they do a report to say that, you know, this is my report.
and if a person contests the ticket, they will have to come down to the courthouse and defend the ticket.
so, you know, this is not an nonchalant program.
this is to provide a give-back to the community.
this is going to charities and nonprofits in your community to strengthen your community in every single way.
I think it's a very powerful argument.
>> Commissioner Eckhardt.
>> I see applications -- well, I see uses for this application even beyond handicapped parking enforcement.
it seems like it's a great improvement in many respects.
the parking mobility is a for profit, correct?
>> it is.
so we have a sister nonprofit that we work with and we also work with the Austin community foundation as well.
>> one thing I would like to -- and we've been engaged exploring it over the last several most is the utilization of the application thousand a contract because I do see that it's -- its utility could be far beyond just the parking mobility aspect.
as far as the fine breakout, I could see us contracting for the use of the application.
I suppose the question is the same, I understand motivating people through the charitable donation, but there's a part of me that has pause about, you know, I am concerned about the schools, for instance.
I would love the raise money for healthy Texas, for instance.
so if I could round up a bunch of volunteers and say, okay, I want to generate a large donation off of handicapped parking violations so I'll get a bunch of folks together, get them deputized and we'll do a fundraising drive through prevention of handicapped parking violations.
is that how it would work?
>> so I think you are adding a level of organization in there that we're not really promoting.
we're not promoting that people just spend their days looking for disabled parking spots.
we're seek to go expand the user base beyond 30 to make 3,000, you know, many, where they are sub consciously aware during their daily activities, whether they go to a restaurant, movie theater or downtown and they see a car that doesn't have proper i.d., they take a report.
but people can interpret this however they want, but our promotion is we want to provide the education where people are aware whether they are aware they are aware or not.
but they are aware throughout their daily lives and they look at cars that are parked there and they look for whether they have i.d.
in there.
if they don't, then they do a report, yeah.
I'm sorry.
>> I guess at the end of the day you are really looking at the objective, and the objective is to make sure that disabled persons in this community have access to a parking slot that was not actually -- that's being used by somebody else.
that's not disabled.
that is the objective.
and if we can -- whatever we need to do, in my opinion, to make sure that folks in this community do not park in those designated disabled handicapped parking slots need to get the message.
because I think it's very clear that it is a violation of persons that need parking and need access to that parking for whatever reason that they need that slot for.
and my point of view however we get there we get there.
but at the end of the day, I think disabled persons in this community need to have access to those parking slots, period.
>> I agree.
>> now, how we get there, you know, da, da, da, at the end of the day that's what I'm looking at.
>> just one thing before -- our mission is to eliminate parking abuse and become more accessible.
>> what if we took the $125, though, and put it toward a fund to -- to enhance the handicapped parking and handicapped mobility?
>>
>> [indiscernible] does that now.
they do a small component for every fine and into a general and disabled fund, but that doesn't encourage people that don't necessarily care about disability issues.
if someone is not intimately familiar with the disabled community, and first of all, it's not well advertised, but if it's not going to benefit something that they truly care about, they are probably not going to do the program.
>> Commissioner Gomez.
>> the only question I have and I don't know -- I think it's of you but I guess of us, once you give someone a ticket, I guess the followup for our j.p.
system is to mail out or expect them to come and pay the fine, what if they don't?
it goes into a traffic warrant as usual?
but you I guess -- so you will be able to make sure that there's a current valid address for these folks, right?
>> of the volunteers.
>> yes.
>> yes.
so we share the complete information of every volunteer with participating cities and counties.
>> okay, because that's really crucial in collecting the fines, if I remember from my days at constable.
>> so, you know she so the governmental portal, not only can you list all the tickets, you can list all your volunteers.
you can click a button and actually call in right away so that you have direct access to the volunteers.
>> because that's important.
>> yes.
thank you.
>> we are blessed today to have constable elfant here with us.
and since he is here, I have three or four questions for him.
the first one would be we are left with the impression that violators of our disabled parking policy are more commonplace than we wish.
>> that's correct.
I'm bruce elfant, constable for precinct 5.
we began the program at the Commissioners court's direction back in 1995, September 1st, and we wrote about 1,000 tickets that year.
the fine was.
>> dollars.
and today the fine is $500 and we will have written about 1200 tickets for the past fiscal year.
so the problem hasn't gone away, if anything it's getting worse with increased population.
the available parking spots aren't keeping up with population and we're finding an increasing problem that this program can't address but the number of people using other people's placards to park free at meter and other handicapped parking places, that's been a big issue.
so certainly the need is there.
>> we think that if we could significantly increase the number of volunteers, that might do more for I guess public education, voluntary compliance, as well as get out the message that we're serious about trying to cite violators.
>> yes, I think it would take a lot of volunteers before we would hit any saturation.
>> so part of this would be for the volunteers to go online and take the four-hour state required course.
and I guess they would be given some evidence of completion of that?
>> yes.
my comfort level initially would be that we continue to do the training face to face before we transition to an online.
we are very careful about doing background checks and making sure that we recruit people who have the right temperament for this.
we don't want to be disrespectful for the citizens and we don't want anything to get hurt so the recruitment and training is very important.
maybe we can get to the online way of doing it, but I wouldn't want to start that way.
>> so what capacity do we have to recruit and train?
I guess they will help with the recruitment.
>> yes.
>> those who complete the training would be deputized.
so what capacity do you have in your shop now?
>> in terms of number of volunteers?
>> yeah, their goal is from 30 to 3,000.
>> I wouldn't want to start at 3,000.
I think we would probably have to negotiate that based on what my staff feels like it can handle because we're going to want to do a whole lot of quality control up front to make sure that the cases entering the court system are good cases and we're not sending a whole bunch of case that are going to be dismissed because there's something wrong with them.
so I imagine welcomed probably start with 100 or more and my staff is probably listening and going I don't know about 100, but we might be able to commit to that number initially and see how it goes and certainly we would want to expand it if we're able to.
>> but we think the issue now from 1,000 to 1200 citations -- is that what I heard?
>> yes.
and if I -- I have 30 citizen volunteers.
if I had another 30 I think they would write another 1200 tickets.
I don't know how many volunteers it's going to take before we start seeing diminishing returns.
the problem is widespread.
we're a county of a million people now and 30 citizens can't be a lot of places.
>> okay.
my final question for you is so if we have 30 or so volunteers today, and let's say they keep doing their work, we would be able to distinguish their citations from citations issued by volunteers generated through the parking mobility program?
>> yes.
>> okay.
any other questions for mr. Elfant?
>> bruce, I just wanted to ask you, as I stated earlier, it's a very -- I think a heart rich feeling when someone pulls up and needs it and they didn't have it because someone is sitting in that slot.
what I'm looking for is a way to send a strong message out to the community that violating these parking disabled slots and whatever number we need to get there to make sure that we get this out as quickly as possible.
you said the fine is what, $500?
>> yes.
>> $500 fine for parking in one of these slots, I just think we need to be very aggressive in making sure that we get a strong message out to the community that we mean business.
and whatever it takes for us to get there, I think we need to do it.
and I don't want to minimize the approach, but I think we need to maximize as much as possible and make sure we get the message out a lot more expedient than it's getting out there, in my opinion, but that's me.
I do know there's enough folks in this community who regret the fact that when we come up to have access to a disabled parking slot that there's someone there who does not respect the sign of the disabled person that needs that slot and it's disease heart evening and frustrating and hardship on that person in that vehicle that need access.
so my whole point is how we can get there expeditiously to send a strong message to the folks that those particular slots are available only for those that are designate to use it.
and that's how I feel about it.
thank you.
>> thank you.
>> any other comments from any of you?
>> > if I could run through three points real quick.
with regard to the training and in particular constable elfant's remarks, the training is the
>> [indiscernible] on the county so we don't want to step on toes with evaluating whether a volunteer has the moral character to participate.
we want to leave that with constable elfant, but we want to take the four-hour training course that would be created with bruce elfant.
to -- to remove that level of overhead on his program.
so I am all for transitioning to scale bigger, taking it fully, but I just wanted to make a point that I think online training is very powerful because it has the educational component to it.
so if someone were interested in becoming a volunteer, they could take the four-hour training course and then that passage of the course could be sent to bruce elfant's office and then they could evaluate whether that individual was of moral character to participate.
one point from Commissioner Davis, he is correct, right now the current method is only reactive.
by -- it's a completing reactive response to the problem.
we need a combination of reactive and proactive.
and engaging the broader community through expansion of the volunteer base will provide that proactive awareness to really tackle future abuse.
to eliminate future abuse.
and then lastly, you asked if the current volunteer base could be distinguished in their tickets from parking mobility user base.
I've spoken with many of the people who are currently volunteers of Travis County and if given the opportunity they would much rather use a parking mobility act because of the safety concerns.
the ability to write a ticket quickly as opposed to writing out a 10 or 15-minute ticket.
I understand that some volunteers do not have smart phones and we're actually working with cell phone providers to do a program donation where cell phone providers would donate phones to allow people to participate in this program.
but that's -- that's down the road.
but those are my responses.
>> but the phones would be acquired by the volunteers.
>> yes.
>> not by bruce elfant's office.
although he does have a huge budget over there.
>> [laughter]
>> so like, you know, if someone reported one ticket every six weeks, they would get 400 minutes of air time and data.
so it's for their ability to get inclusiveness to the disabled community.
empowers them and also gives them the ability to have a smart phone.
>> okay.
constable, anything further?
>> no, I just on the -- with regard to training, we may get to a comfort level, but I really don't want to give up the opportunity to have a face-to-face exchange with volunteers at least initially.
we're dealing with county liability and we want to be really comfortable.
if we go this way, it's going to be an evolving program and we may evolve there, but I wouldn't want to start there initially.
>> if our response is affirmative, should we at some point early on chat with the justice of the peace who will be impacted?
>> yes.
>> for sure.
>> as well as the county attorney and the municipal --
>> judges.
>> the municipal judges and the city attorney.
>> we won't be filing any in county city court, we'll be filing all in j.p.
court.
the city program will be filing in municipal court if they move forward.
>> but we probably want to collaborate with the city program since is it -- is my assumption true that the majority of handicapped parking violation are occurred in the c.b.d.?
>> that would be a safe assumption.
>> and one thing we would want to tackle down the road is maybe creating a program of reciprocity where if people were deputized by the city, out to the city limits but still within Travis County, they would be deemed to be deputize understand the county and that could then go to the county.
but that's something that we should approach later on.
>> we have a series of legal issues to discuss with legal counsel and in my view that discussion will take place this afternoonment so what we can do is let you know after court today what happened.
>> okay.
>> we appreciate you all coming down.
>> we appreciate you talking to us.
thank you.
>> thank you.
>> thanks so much.
>> thank you all.
>> thank you, bruce.
Post-Executive Session Discussion
25, I move that we postpone action one week and that we chat with roger jeffreys and see how he can assist us with this and look at other aspects of this and indicate our intention to take action next week.
>> second.
>> seconded by Commissioner Davis.
discussion?
and I have no problem with chatting with roger jeffreys unless somebody else wants to.
>> I'll do it.
>> I'll help.
>> down to do it?
Commissioner Gomez will proceed for the Commissioners' court.
>> that would be great.
>> discussion on that motion?
all in favor?
it passes on a vote of seven to zero.
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