Travis County Commissioners Court
December 18, 2007
Housing Finance Corporation
Let's call to order the Travis County housing finance corporation. We do expect director eckhardt to arrive in a moment. Number one is to consider and take appropriate action on results of compliance examination of bent oaks apartments.
>> good afternoon. My name is mike gonzalez with the corporation. Ben oaks is 146 multi-family residential development on 3600 north hills in Austin, in connection. They are required to have at least 30 units reserved for low income tenants. Last year we did do an examination where we note that had 21 of the 30 did not have adequate documents as required by the regulatory greavment as a result the board did authorize the board to issue a letter. They did provide the document foses those 21 files to staff and staff did review them here. After that we did issue -- in February we did issue a follow-up report saying they were now in compliance. After that we pretty much thought we were done. And then November of this year, amco staff actually contacted the is corporation saying that they believed that five of the files that we reviewed may have been falsified by management on the property. That really prompted to us do a follow-up exam on November eighth where we actually looked at all low income tenant files. At that time we found four that did not -- had minor issues and didn't have all the required documentation. After the audit they did provide a document to show that those four actually were in compliance. Staff is here. We had some miscommunication. They were all here last week. We did meet with them. Cliff blunt was also here and we meet with them briefly. We feel they've taken an accurate step to remedy the situation. This was the result of an internal audit that they did themselves on their own files. All of the employees that were linked to providing these falsified documents I believe were fired. They both have changed their procedure to some extent where all the documentation that's being done here locally gets sent up to dallas to their headquarters to be reviewed by the regional compliance officer. So we feel pretty confident that they've recommended the situation, taken the steps to cure all deficiencies.
>> what,, if any, is required today?
>> the action is to go ahead and approve the report as submitted an also to allow the corporation to submit an invoice to bent oaks for a thousand dollars for the examination fee.
>> so move.
>> second.
>> examination fee is consistent with our policy?
>> yes.
>> any more discussion? All in favor? That passes by unanimous vote. With director eckhardt temporarily away. Number two is to consider and take appropriate action on results of compliance examination of metropolis apartments ploj. Project.
>> this is a 308 residential unit locate odd pleasant valley road in Austin, Texas. They are troird have a minimum of 62 requirements for low income housing. On October 29th staff initiateddable annual review of metropolis. At this time we found -- we reviewed 26 files, 11 of which were found to not meet the requirement of the regulatory agreement. At that time we advised management to review all their files that they had designated as low income files and to also update their quarterly compliance report that they have to submit to the corporation. On the initial report before we went on that first examination, they reported 136 units as low income tenants. After they had scrubbed internally themselves, that dropped down to 91. With such a big drop that really prompted us to go ahead and do another follow-up and just review a larger sample of the low income tenant files. On December 1st we went back out there and we reviewed 44 tenant files, of which we still found 14 that did not qualify as low income units. Even with this 14, they do still have the minimum of 62 units. Our approximation is they have 77 units that do qualify with low income tenants, which is above the minimum required.
>> you recommend the same action as in item 1?
>> right. Our recommendation would be for staff to owe foe the board to approve this report and also to allow us to invoice metropolis the one thousand examination fee. The other thing is we did make recommendations to management, some simple guidelines as far as to ensure compliance in the future. We do have -- the management company and property management do have representatives here and can answer any questions you might have.
>> I would like them voice their intention to do a better job of record keeping in the future, if they're here. And wish them a merry christmas, I guess. How you doing?
>> I’m kathy. In January I plan to have a training seminar for the on-site staff, ensure that they know how to cross tier t's and dot their I’s. Then I’m going to subsequently go over every file after their finished and make sure it's in compliance. I have had five bond properties for five years. I am more than happy to do this with the on-site staff.
>> and your name is.
>> kathy derby.
>> and hofk projects have we done with this particular --
>> this is the only one.
>> we'd like to do more business with y'all, ms. Derby. We would love to do more business with you in the future.
>> yes, sir.
>> so that commitment you just gave us about the record keeping is real important.
>> yes, sir.
>> don't you think? But the good thing is that you have exceeded the minimum requirement anyway, but we would love to see a whole lot less errors in the record keeping.
>> yes, sir, understood. Thank you.
>> have a good christmas.
>> yes, sir, you too.
>> mr. Davis?
>> and our recommendation is that staff go out there by about March of 2008 and review the files because still as you can see from the report, there's too many files that do have problems out there.
>> with her commitment I will move approval of the staff recommendations for the actions that we need to take.
>> second.
>> I believe ms. Derby will make sure things are better in the future. For that reason I support the motion. Any more discussion? All in favor? That passes by unanimous vote. Thank you again for coming down. Number 3 is to consider and take appropriate action on request for additional assistance with capital project of the east Austin community development project building, southwest key. We have representatives here from southwest key.
>> my name is juan sanchez and I’m the ceo and founder of the southwest key program. We want to thank you for the time to listen to our request on a project that's a wonderful project that we've been working with with the east side community over the last five years. We're very excited about it. We're addressing some significant quality of life issues there and we invite you to come and visit our site as we're just getting ready to finalize the completion of it. I’ve asked the staff to be very brief in our presentation. We want to give you a brief historical update and then bring you up to date to where you are today. Most importantly we want to be able to answer questions you may have about the project, so we want to spend whatever time we have here with a brief presentation and addressing your questions. So we're going to do a brief historical update and dr. Cantu will bring us up to date on where we are right now in terms of programs and implementation.
>> thank you so much, Commissioners, judge, for your time this afternoon. I was here in 2004 in front of all of you requesting support for a very valuable project in east Austin, called the east Austin community development project. I’d like to give awe very brief historical perspective and the support you gave us then and why we're here today again. In 2003 southwest key purchased 200 acres of land and we held on to it for a little bit until we could meet with the community. We did many surveys, we knocked door to door, knocked on doors, requested information about what they needed. And many of have you heard this presentation and we've met with several of you to give you an update, but we wanted to let you know that we have stayed true to what that community told us thented, which was educational services, recreational services. Workforce training.
>> housing as far as looking for housing, jobs. So we have stayed very, very true to what they wanted. And so over the last five years we've worked with them and really working and developing the programs that are going to be offered in the east Austin project and that are currently being offered in the east Austin project. So I come to you here today to basically request some additional funning for the completion of the east Austin community development project. This is a very valuable project. Like I said, we have had the support from the community. That neighborhood has been underserved for many, many years. Some of the statistics that I think are valuable for you to know and that you are already familiar with I’m sure is that the per capita income for that govalle johnston terrace area is $953,533 as dpierd the national per capita income of $2,105,087. The unemployment rate is 13.3% versus Travis County's rate and this is based on the 2000 census, it was 5.6 and the national rate of 5.7. 52% of the govalle johnston terrace adults 25 years or older do not have a high school diploma, so there is a need for support, workforce training and we have geared all that project specifically to meet those needs and to help revitalize that community. So we are here now today asking for you additional support n the past you supported us with $100,000 over a two-year period. Well, we are coming to the end of the capital campaign. We are so, so very close. In that building right now we currently have some additional services going on that dr. Cantu will tell you about. But we need some additional funning. The costs of this project have increased dramatically from when we first came here and when we first worked with the architects on conceptualizing this project. And to where we're at now. So as you all well know, the cost of constructions have increased dramatically in these last few years with so many factors with rita and katrina and just so much construction going on here in Austin. So at this point we'd like to see if we can get your support for $200,000, an additional $200,000. We can definitely extend the current -- add as an extension to the current contract and amend it -- use it as an amendment to the contract that we current shri if that's a possibility. Of course, we would be open to additional different types of funding. If the housing corporation is not able to meet that whole amount, we'd be open to considering other options that we'd like for you to suggest to us that there are some other options as well. Any additional comments? At this point I’d like to pass it on to dr. Cantu and let you know what's going on now. It's more than a building, it is about working with kids and serving that community.
>> thank you, veronica. Good afternoon, Commissioners and judge Biscoe. I too would like to thank you for the opportunity for being here. You were provided with a binder of information. I know that you have the information that I’m going to share with you; owfer, I will like to summarize it for your convenience. We are seeking your help to help us with it the construction costs. There's three specific areas that we're zeroing in. This is 150 seat amp theater for the cultural arts program. Number two, the state-of-the-art community technology center not only for the adults, but also for students to offer training programs. We also have a large community meeting room and training room, and I’d like to mention that these rooms are currently being used by different entities. For example, we have finalized the preparation plans, we have Austin community college which will be coming in and offering g.e.d. And esl classes throughout the year. I would like to recognize our partner with this endeavor, ms. Patricia hernandez who is with a.c.c. And is in the audience. I also want to mention to you that we have another program which is called (speaking spanish). It culminates with a performance in December. I have brought with me some fliers that I would certainly leave with you to invite you for this performance. It's scheduled for this week. Our students have worked very hard and we certainly would appreciate your support there also. We also have the boys and girls club. And I will tell you that when we started this initiative of the boys and girls club, we were informed that we needed at least 100 applicants at this site to continue with a site at the southwest key. Well, I’m pleased to inform you that we have 193 applications on file. We have lots of kids coming into the center. We're offering some academic support and also some recreational. With us in the audience we have mr. Saint jewel yes or no, who is the director of the boys and girls club and assistant director mary dominguez. If you will stand and be recognized also. We also have the Austin hip hop project going on right now. This is a group of students that we have an individual working with. They are providing -- receiving instruction on writing, spoken word artists. It's an incredible project that we hope to culminate with a performance and we'll keep you informed.
>> what's the maximum age to participate in that?
>> would you like to join us?
>> I also want to tell you that we received a grant from the Texas guaranteed grant, and this is a grant that funded a comprehensive college prepare program. As dr. Sanchez and veronica mentioned, the need in this area is very evident and the data indicates, the statistics indicate that we need to provide a better indication for the students in this area. We have 20 students that are first generation students that would possibly go to college. We're working with them. It is exreb sieve in nature because they have mentors assigned to them. There are some tutorials. These are the projects that we have going on right now; however, this is not to limit in your packets under the narratives, there's some information regarding some of our other projects that we have pending and some conversations with started, others are in the process of finalizing. Please include items such as the workforce development items. We have home ownership information and training coming up, the computer lab we want to open it up for this community that has limited resources to make sure that they have not only the basic computer skills, but access to the web or access to other sites that may be of support and helpful to them. And again, the purpose of this southwest key facility is to offer and maximize community efforts to make sure that we help this community, restructure this community or transform and offer them the resources. The challenge is big, but we are excited. So these are the projects that we're asking for support.
>> any questions from the board?
>> no. It was just my understanding that you had also gone to the city of Austin for some -- because of the need that came up.
>> yes, our request came up before them as well, Commissioner.
>> we've received several -- there is a form here basically telling you all about the committed funding and all the different partners that we have. The city of Austin is a big player in this as well as the economic development administration.
>> you came before the Commissioners court -- before the corporation actually. There were some legitimate questions, I think, that were posed by the neighborhood association, johnston terrace. And I heard during your deliberation today you did mention johnston terrace and there were a lot of concerns expressed at that time. And of course during the deliberation you said that you had included johnston terrace in this particular process. And my question to you is are those concerns that the neighborhood association expressed then, have they been addressed?
>> yes, sir. And actually, the neighborhood association members were actually part of our original community advisory council, but for whatever reason --
>> all right. The neighborhood association persons that spoke here last time were the president of the neighborhood association, and I think they're still the president. And I haven't heard anything yet as far as those resolutions are resolved, those issues that they had brought up. And I haven't heard anything from the neighborhood association. Were they invited today for this particular meeting?
>> not for this particularly. I did make contact with ms. Nathaniel last week, who was the president of the neighborhood association. I understand their concerns. If you're not familiar with what we were wanting to do, I would see that they might think -- I know their concerns were about detention centers being located there. As you can see, there are no detention centers at the facility. I did call her myself and just to make sure that they understood what our project was, and I offered to do a personal tour of the facility and let her see to basically clear her mind of her concerns. And so that invitation is still open. She said she didn't have time at this point.
>> I’d like to hear -- I’m a neighborhood advocate. This is locate understand precinct 1 and I’m a very strong neighborhood advocate. I hear what you're saying, but I will like to hear what the neighborhood president has to say before I make a commitment towards anything. And until I hear from them, and if you've notified them and if they have not yet had the tour of what you are suggesting, I think that may well need to be in place to be done.
>> sure.
>> so eye like to maybe have that done and see what their position is on a lot of these things. And of course I have to adhere and reserve my actions until I’m thoroughly advised and notified by the neighborhood association leader.
>> okay. I do want to add -- and I will definitely will continue to make efforts to contact them, like I said.
>> I appreciate that very much.
>> we do have another neighborhood association that's a block away from us, literally around the corner, and it's the groves negotiation. It is one of the newest neighborhood associations. It's a very active neighborhood association. We actually have three of their members --
>> is that in precinct 1?
>> I believe so. It's right by jane lane.
>> is it north of (indiscernible).
>> no. It's actually south of -- it is north of boem road.
>> some of it may be precinct 4. I’m not sure.
>> I wouldn't think so. It's half a block from our facility. It's on perilane. I think it's right before you get to bohm. And there are at least 100 100 houses that have been built by main street and they have a neighborhood association that is very active. They have been to our facility. There are some other neighborhood associations that we have worked with. The particular one that I think you're referring to have continuously invited to be a participant with what we do and to visit our facility. Over the years they have chosen not to. But we have an open invitation to them. They're not here today. They've always been vigilant about when we were coming before this committee or another group to oppose us because of what they understood we were trying to build, buttic they have not seen -- but I think they have not seen anything that resembles what they thought would be placed there, which was a detention facility. If you drive by or go to the facility, the minute you approach it, it's all glass and very open. There's no way that it resembles anything close to a detention facility. We welcome them. We continue to invite them.
>> again, I’d like to hear from the neighborhood association.
>> talk to us about money and the corporation.
>> well, I -- my advice to the board is that the corporation does not have that amount of funds to make a cominlt at this time.
>> what about within the next 12 months?
>> my advice would be that we take a wait and see approach. If the corporation issues new bonds, then there would be new excess of funds for the board. Maybe in six months or the summer we could review the status, the financial status of the board and see if it does have the resources to make a commitment.
>> I would think under the present circumstances that a commitment that large would have tube made over more than one year.
>> so y'all are $377,000 short?
>> and we're still waiting on some other pending commitments.
>> well, why don't we indicate our intention to fund at least 100,000 of it during the next 12 months and y'all back back and visit with us in late January and deliver to ms. Daniel and any other neighborhood residents that you think should see the facility, an invitation and let us know when that's delivered and open the doors and invite those to come and see it and tour it and hear the splairngs those who wish to take advantage of the opportunity. I think we clear that. That way it will give us an opportunity to try to identify a source of funding. This is for 100,000, not 200,000, but maybe we -- we'll look at the next year for the 100,000 if you need it. And if you tell the city of Austin --
>> we're going to need it. I think what will help us with this kind of cominlt is to complete our project, which we hope is done in the next three to four months, I think we'll have to borrow the money, but there's a commitment and the potential possibility some more money will be easier to borrow. So what I understand is a commitment now and then come back the later part of January?
>> the commitment now is to try to find the source of funding, but to indicate the intention. And my reason for that is that this is a seven and a half-million-dollar project. We're into it for 100,000 already. There have been many others to support you. If in fact this programs works, then it has to divert a whole lot of young people from gardner-betts into a whole lot more constructive programs, which is what we ought to be about.
>> that's the plan.
>> so I’m confident that if we give ourselves another month or so, we'll be able to identify a source of funding for at least $100,000.
>> may I ask a couple of questions? Mr. Davis, I’m wondering how this particular project fits in with the mission of the housing finance corporation? Whether this is the appropriate source for funding?
>> well, my understanding of state law and our attorneys are heesh here to help me out if necessary, is the latitude of a housing finance corporation to make donations is fairly wide. And so this would -- a donation to this facility would be an appropriate use of its excess funds.
>> what other priorities inside the housing finance corporation do we anticipate in the next year that would be competing for these funds?
>> well, of course, in the handout that I provided the board, we do have a sizeable commitment to home buyer assistance. And the board has supported first time home buyers assistance over the years. We've had a succession of programs that have been successful. But when you talk about affordable housing, which is maybe the core issue of obviously the housing finance corporation, there is a lot more demands and needs in the community than there are resources. But over the last couple of years I would say the principal focus of resources of the housing finance corporation has been towards home buyer assistance.
>> and in terms of identifying appropriate funds, because as the judge said, the effects of this program on our juvenile jail population is projected to have a very positive effect. So in regard to finding appropriate funds, what would be the impediments to waiting for the budget process so that we can identify funds outside of the housing finance corporation?
>> what would be the impediments for waiting? Well, we're in the process of trying to finalize the completion of this project and certainly it just means that we will have to borrow money and begin to pay interest rates on it. We want to minimize that because we want to place our money in the programming. When you look at the number of the boys and girls club there, you see they're minimal or not at all. So for us to not have to be paying interest rates or mortgage payments allows us to use that money for programming. There's one other interest here, Commissioner eckhardt, that might be connected to what you just mentioned. Even though our work has been around juvenile justice and keeping kids out of jail, prison and detention facilities, the work that we're doing there is really also focused on education and job training. I think this is a very sizeable consideration for you. We just got a 700,000-dollar grant from the office of community services to create 71 jobs in that community. Our hope is that as we are able to create those jobs, those people in the community will now be able to say can I afford a house? And we have a grant also from the national council of (indiscernible) to provide housing for first home buyers assistance. How do we connect that grant with now the fact that we're creating jobs for people and help them go through this process? So what we're doing there is beyond just juvenile justice and that's the crux and the foundation of what we do, but in this particular community development project, we're looking at this entire community and saying, how do we really address the quality of life issues. And we understand the jobs and housing are critical to this.
>> undoubtedly. And certainly there is a thrust in the materials that you've provided to me regarding not only juvenile justice, but education and workforce training as well. What I would ask is if we could -- I’d be happy to facilitate this. Getting together with juvenile justice and health and human services divisions within Travis County to establish exactly the value of the program. And move forward with it in that way. I am concerned about ad hoc funding processes when we are looking at -- you're absolutely right. The three areas are key, workforce training, diversion of juvenile delinquency out of the criminal justice system and back into the community and education. And those three things are completely intertwined. What I’m trying to do is we clearly, as mr. Davis stated, have such a huge need in affordable housing. We may see increased pressure because of the subprime mortgage lending circumstances.
>> the beauty of this is that it's not operating capital. This is for capital improvement for the building itself.
>> exactly.
>> they've gone out and hustled out other dollars to really operate the various programs and have had contracts with the juvenile justice for years for a variety of programs for juveniles, but this is a whole lot larger.
>> it is. And we have been here 20 years and we've never come to you to ask for any program may money. We've never come to the city to ask for operating money. Some of the contracts are with Travis County. We do serve a number of young people from Travis County right now. And I’ve talked to -- I’ve talked to the director to say how do we look at those zip codes and how do we track the impact that we've made there because we want to be able to show two or three years from now. Basically we're saying have we made a difference? Have we minimized the number of young people coming into these programs because of all the other work we do, the curl churl events, the workforce programs. We want to partnership with the county. That is one-time deal. We need this to get us there and get the building and let's move on to some of the programming that you're talking about.
>> my recommendation was not to take the money from housing finance. I’d like to look at housing finance and all the other resources at Travis County and try to land on something in late January and let you know so you could rely on it. And we're not able to find a source by then, then we would let you know that too and you would know not to rely on it.
>> what I would like to request, though, is that we don't act on this today. I’d like to have the neighborhood associations to have a chance to actually -- from this meeting and hence forth have a chance to participate in this process accordingly. You remember the last time this did come up I an tained on this particular issue and it was -- and illustrate of you are my friends -- and a lot of you are my friends. I saw so many people in the community; however, there were some legitimate concerns that the neighborhood brought up and I haven't heard anything from the neighborhood association, and I did hear you mention the neighborhood association's name as if they were bought off to this thing. So I’m kind of concerned about that. I’d like for them to have an opportunity to deal with you, visit with you and let me hear from them. And I just think that this is more than fair. So I would like for this maybe to come back at a time when we allow the neighborhood association president and the neighborhood association to actually be exposed to what you're saying here today. And again, I’m basing it on what I heard you deliberate as far as when you made your presentation that johnston certify ras has been, da, da, da, so you did mention the name and yet haven't heard from them. So I would like to have that request honored.
>> could we then -- the conclusion is that we will present back in late January. It will give us time to have met with the neighborhood association. We will make every effort to meet with them. We can only do what we can do and make every effort. But we will do that.
>> January 22nd is a good date. Commissioner Daugherty?
>> judge, what really makes me nervous about this right now, we had a 1,300,000-dollar -- we had a 300,000-dollar asking this morning with 100 people in this room. That I quite frankly don't know where we'll get $300,000. We don't have $200,000, we don't have $100,000. This is an item that really needs to come in a budget cycle where you really honestly -- where we honestly can work at finding a way to assist and to help. And everybody, y'all have been part of this community a long time. You know when our budget is. You need to get into this stuff with budget. I mean, because that's -- otherwise we seem arbitrary on are we going to give you 100,000 or 200,000 or are we not going to give capital idea 300,000? And those won't be the only two. When somebody says you can go somewhere beyond a budget cycle time and start asking for money. I mean, I know you do a great job. There are hundreds of organizations in this community that do a great job for the needs that we have in this community, but I’m asking you to -- and this is planning, y'all. Our budget really starts in about March and April. That's when you really need to start getting in line with us. And we're pretty good at doing these things an especially these programs that are very productive. And I think you all have a great history for that. It's just that it puts some of us in a spot where -- I’ve already told 25 people no. I can imagine what's going to happen to my phone if I say I’m going to sane off on a 100,000-dollar deal in the middle -- not even the milling migd of the budget cycle. So I want you to know I’m going to be hard pressed in January to make a commitment. I would even have a little bit of reticence about making a commitment for next year until I saw what all was coming before me. I think y'all probably will fare pretty well because have you a great program, but I would be remiss in not doing you that. I prefty much told you when we were in Commissioner eckhardt's office last week, so I wanted to reiterate that that's where I’m going to be very uncomfortable come the end of January and I will rather you know that rather than coming back the end of January and saying that Commissioner Daugherty is now doing something that he said that he wasn't going to do.
>> wherever we land, we land, but in fairness the roip it's not planning issue is we committed to 100,000 dlashz in 2004. This is a multi-year project. Every Travis County capital project that we started in 2004 has come in 20 to 30% over budget because of construction escalation. So they're not immune to that. The other thing is it's a question of priorities. If there's not money in one of the companies corporations, there's money in the allocated reserve. There's $2 million in there today. We are not poor, but we ought to spend money judiciously and we ought to make decisions judiciously. So if we don't spend the 100,000 on this, we're going to spend it on something else, probably. It's a question of priorities, I think. If we vote it down when it comes back in January, we simply vote it down. I do think that in view of the fact that the neighborhood association came and object bed when we approved the project by a divided vote last time that you ought to try to at least invite them. You cannot make them come out there. You cannot make them tour and listen to you. But you can invite them and give the invitation from the Commissioners court. Both the Commissioners that represent that area. So use Commissioner Davis' name and mine as much as necessary to get an audience with them, but I’m not holing your feet to the fire because you can't make them do that, and I can't either. But at least make the nawfer a way, the invitation in a way that maybe they'll accept it.
>> we will. We'll follow that advice.
>> here's how I’m reading this. We will we would like to ask for additional support in the amount of -- and it's one of these three features. The way I’m reading y'all is there's something else that came on since you came to us the first time and that was the question I asked the other day. Now, I understand costs escalation because we are faced with that on everything we do with county. And that quite frankly you probably get from me the real understanding that you're right. Things cost a lot more. So I want to know what are the three things that you're asking, a 150 seat am fa theater, the large community, are those something different than what in the original -- because the way it reads, it seems like that we need some additional funding for one of these three.
>> let me make it clear that's not the case. If you go back to the request in 2004 and the information that we provided in 2004 and were some pictures and all that, you will see the theater, you will see is community meeting room and the technology center. They are all part of that very, very original project. We have not added on anything else.
>> I think it's mostly unflaition and it's happened -- inflation and it's circumstances that we didn't have any control over. Money had to be invested in that and we would do it again if it occurred again. But the other thing is you did mention the jjaep, which y'all administer for the county, and that is a very important issue for us. And children who are suspended or expelled from the regular independent school districts have to go to school anyway, so they're not going to be out running loose in the streets. And they get their education. And what we have found in the past just as a reminder to member of the court, is that those kids when they get that mentoring or that special attention in class, some are able to recover quickly and go back to the school district that they were part of. Ings that's extremely important -- I think that's extremely important where I sit and not have kids drop out and be running around the streets to know about their whereabouts. Additionally having someone uneducated, we know is going to wind up in our county jails or juvenile system, and that's a no -- that's a road of no return whatsoever. And what it amounts to being is we wind up throwing kids away kind of like the way we throw trash away and that's not acceptable to me. So I think that -- that's why these programs have usually come to our corporations for some assistance with our capital campaigns in making sure that we have room for these kids. And sorry, I had the -- I had to get so passionate about that, but that is my passion. We.
>> we thank you for your support.
>> mr. Smith?
>> I have a suggestion that may help. Just to refresh your memory, when you establish the out budget you o.o. -- when you established the 2008 budget you sceabd the juvenile justice reserve. It was to come back to the court in January. You may remember it was related to the tyc will challenges. Maybe there is a way to connect some dots. The juvenile justice leadership can say we need more or we need less. If it's less you may have resources to pull it into the juvenile justice leadership's priorities.
>> we ought to look under that stone and any other stone.
>> we have other stones.
>> between now and January --
>> that's the first one your budget office will identify.
>> move eye georgetown nlt.
>> thank you. --
>> all in favor? That passes by unanimous vote.
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