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Travis County Commissioners Court

November 9, 2004
Item 3

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Number 3 is to receive comments regarding a traffic regulation prohibiting through trucks on yager lane between cameron road and parmer lane in precinct 1.
>> move the public hearing be opened.
>> second.
>> all in favor? That passes by unanimous vote.
>> perhaps if I change mics. Perhaps the best way to show you what's going on here is by map. This is northeast Travis County. This is 290. Springdale road. Giles road. A landfill is located right here. What's happening is truck traffic is coming down parmer lane going down yager lane, blue goose and down. There is this road, which is harris branch parkway, is inside the city of Austin. And the city of Austin has already adopted truck prohibitions on harris branch parkway, so there's no trucks allowed to go down harris branch to the landfill. So we're cutting down -- they're cutting down yager lane. Yager lane also has single-family units. It's not subdivided like you would see in harris branch, but nonetheless, quite a few single-family units. We have gotten a request from the property owners to restrict trucks on yager lane. As a result of that we went out and did a traffic survey. Typically you would have anywhere between five and eight percent of your total traffic is trucks. In this case you have 33 percent of your traffic is trucks. It's a very heavy volume of trucks on yager lane. They're also travelling at speeds of about 50 miles per hour. So what the neighborhood has asked is that there be restrictions on truck traffic on yager lane. Beyond the alter net route on that point would be for the trucks to come down cameron road and then from cameron back on to blue goose. It would avoid yager, but shift the traffic on to cameron. I think there's people representing both neighborhoods here to testify today, not only from yager lane, but also representatives from harris branch parkway who are fearful that perhaps by us restricting traffic on yager the trucks would be pushed over on harris. Which is in the city of Austin and already has truck prohibitions on it. So there's a little bit of a conflict between areas. But the truck traffic is a problem up in this neck of the woods because of the landfill and the industrial uses that are taking place. Ultimately there is a lack of arterial road network in this whole area, so there's not many alternative routes for the trucks to use to get to the landfill. That's another subject, and we'll address that probably in another agenda item later. Right now we're talking about the proposed truck restrictions on yager lane, and that is the subject of our public hearing.
>> and I know where parmer is, but -- so cameron ends at rundberg?
>> cameron actually goes -- cameron goes all the way up to northeast Travis County. Starts at 290, meanders all the way up. But the section we're talking about is between parmer lane and blue goose. That's the piece of cameron road that's affected by this restriction.
>> and blue goose is south of parmer?
>> that's right, parallel and south of parmer.
>> so this stretch is .7 miles long?
>> on yager lane, yes. This is parmer lane right here. This is yager lane, this section that will have the truck restrictions. This is cameron road. So the trucks, instead of coming down yager to hit cameron, to go over to cameron and come around this way instead. And then on to blue goose and on to the landfill. We're basically pushing the truck traffic over to cameron road and this will go cameron to blue goose rather than use either yager or harris branch parkway.
>> so we believe that the detour that you recommend is a reasonable alternate route?
>> yes, we do.
>> let's see who agrees with you, joe. Would anybody like to give testimony during this public hearing? If you would come forward, we'll get joe to slide down to one end. That leaves four chairs available. And if you would give us your name, we would be happy to get your comments.
>> right here?
>> yes, sir.
>> that's fine. Just get real comfortable there.
>> I知 ruben (indiscernible). I live on the corner of cameron and yager. And when the trucks come off of blue goose off of cameron road and that's where the noise actually starts about two, three, 4:00 o'clock in the morning. Every time you go to yager and cameron -- [ inaudible ]. So I don't know how it came out on the letter, but we asked for a restriction from blue goose to cameron road to avoid the traffic coming into that area. That's what we're asking for.
>> so it's the truck noise that is bother some?
>> it's bothersome. That and the lack of respect for the community. We have tried to -- before we contacted your office, we called all these companies time and time company. And every time we did, it seemed like they came down a little bit harder. I think the -- my neighbors can come and talk about that. That's what we're here for today, we're just asking for a peaceful neighborhood. And also for the motorists that go through the same road and they're trying to get to work, there are moms and pops and babies in the cars, they have to drive very careful too.
>> okay.
>> sir, my name is thomas mcdaniel. And I believe I wrote to the Commissioner a letter, and in my letter it stated that we would like to have from blue goose, come ran road and yager just to keep the trucks from coming through because they come through really fast. And like ruben said, they do obscene gestures to us when they come by. They blow their horns in the morning, waving and stuff, four, 5:00 o'clock in the morning. They're getting pretty radical, and that's why we're here today trying to solve this problem. And we have called all the companies and asked them to have their drivers slow down. And there's nothing done about it. So we're asking to please help us.
>> my name is joyce betts and I知 speaking today on behalf of my neighbors in harris branch. We fully support the request to close yager lane to truck traffic between parmer lane and cameron road. This is clearly a case where the needs of people take precedence over the business interests of garbage trucks and gasoline tankers. We do ask for a delay of the closure until certain conditions can be met, and these conditions are construction of appropriate signage at the parmer, yager intersection as well as the cameron road, parmer intersection, giving clear direction to truck traffic. At present there is no sign on parmer lane indicating the intersection with cameron road. If the trucks miss that turn, it is our neighborhood's concern that the trucks will simply continue on another 200 feet and turn on to harris branch parkway instead. Harris branch parkway is also marked, as mr. Gieselman has pointed out, for no truck traffic. About 4,000 people from our neighborhood use that street for access, as well as hundreds of other cars travelling between parmer lane and east highway 290. In addition, several hundred children attend an elementary school locate odd that street. The presence of trucks there is a serious hazard and a clear marking of cameron road is essential to prevent illegal trucks from continuing on to harris branch parkway. The second issue is that although the city of Austin has recently done some resurfacing on the northern section of cameron road, most of the city's portion of the road is not striped. In addition to the striping, more improvements need to be made to the low water crossings and bridge on that stretch of road and a substantial amount of brush to be removed from the right-of-way. Further, the speed limit signs need to be coordinated. There are two speed limit signs. The southbound sign from parmer on cameron road says the speed limit is 40, while the northbound side traffic on cameron road towards parmer says the speed limit is 35. We request that the county engineer and staff work with the city of Austin to see that signage and road upgrades are completed as soon as possible. The third issue with regards three way intersection at yager and cameron. Although traffic studies indicate that the last reported accident was in 1997, the yager lane neighbors apparently have observed dangerous situations that need to be corrected. Because there will still be substantial trafk on yager lane and at that intersection, we request that the county take whatever steps are necessary to make the intersection safe. And we certainly do understand the situation with the trucks because we've dealt with that many times as well. And we certainly agree that there needs to be as little disruption for people as possible, and I believe on the particular section of cameron road, there is one residence, and it is set quite far back from the road. So in terms of being the better route and physical link, we support them in saying that cameron road would be the better route. As taxpayers in both the city and the county, my neighborhood encourages the county and city staff to work together to provide a safe environment for all of us. Thank you.
>> thank you.
>> thank you.
>> I live on the stretch of cameron road that we've just been talking about, and there are three families on that road. I知 sorry.
>> between cameron road and parmer?
>> cameron road --
>> yager?
>> I live right to the east of the intersection of cameron and yager.
>> okay.
>> i've been living there since 1941. My parents bought that place in 1941. I grew up out there. I've lived there for a long time. I was gone awhile, but i've lived there since 1989 again. Interpreting truck traffic on this portion of cameron road is not safe either. Because the portion of the road through the harris branch property, which is in the Austin city limits, never has been upgraded, has got not potholes in it, but it's been patched, it's uneven. Like the lady said, there are weeds there. The city of Austin never maintains it. And the road is not designed to have heavy truck traffic on it. There's a low water crossing and a narrow bridge which both flood when it rains. So where are the trucks going to go then during that time? I have some pictures that show the barricades that are still sitting there right now. The bridge that's involved down there that the lady was talking about is 23 feet wide, and you put big trucks on there, it's in an area that is going to curve, and the trucks are going to be coming across in the opposite lanes because they have to to make that bridge. And so if you're meeting someone there, because it's a blind corner, it's in a blind area, because of all the weeds and the trees and the bamboo and everything that's grown up around there, somebody is going to get killed there because the trucks are going to be coming across in the opposite lane and you're going to meet them there. And you've got two choices, head on with the truck or over the side of the bridge, which is about 15 feet deep. The bridge hasn't been updated since the 40's to my knowledge, and at one time there was a load limit sign there. It's not there any more. The reason I know that it was a load limit bridge is because my father had grain that he delivered to a granary, and he couldn't use that bridge because of the load limit. He had to use a different road. This portion of cameron road has not been maintained since it was annexed into the city limits of Austin. It's uneven, has rough patches. There's no way to get off on the side because of the weeds, the grass, the trees and the georgia canes, and there are areas where the grass, weeds are leaning into the right-of-way, making the road even narrower than 24 feet in places. The lanes are not marked and the bridge signs on the north side can't be seen for the weeds, tree limbs and grass. And like the lady said, the speed limit on this stretch of road is 40 miles per hour. Yager lane is 35. That means that all traffic, including the trucks, will be driving 55. Yager lane has a speed limit of 35 miles per hour, and it's more open and is a little wider. Or seems wider because it's been mowed and kept. The intersection of cameron road and parmer lane is very close to the traffic signal at harris branch parkway. And if you're coming cameron road and you're wanting to turn on to parmer lane, especially left, it's going to be difficult to access parmer lane as the traffic backs up past this intersection waiting for the green light. Attempting to turn off parmer lane on to cameron road will be dangerous as traffic will think that a right turn signal means turning at harris branch parkway, which is right down the road a little piece, very shortly. The intersection of cameron and yager will be more dangerous as traffic on cameron road has the right-of-way, but people will be darting across to yager lane without yielding as they're already doing. We were also told by an engineer for cook, steinman and associates at a hearing at the city planning commission on March the 28th, 2000, that cameron road would be closed when harris branch developed the sterling bridge section of harris branch. We were also told by a road foreman for Austin road and bridge that this portion of cameron road was not resurfaced because it was to be closed in the future. Therefore I don't see that diverting truck traffic into cameron road is a viable decision. It seems that a more sensible approach would be to enforce the speed limit and put a three way stop at cameron road and yager lane intersection or take the trucks off of those roads altogether and limit them to the major roads of the highways 290 and parmer. Thank you.
>> thank you very much.
>> joe, can you clear up the jurisdiction. The section of cameron from the y intersection there to parmer, is that city of Austin or Travis County?
>> city of Austin past our gate all the way down to parmer.
>> the city limits is right there here.
>> thank you. Okay.
>> so this is city, this is county.
>> got it. Thank you. And in terms of -- because we've had a lot of these goofy y intersections as well. If the intent is to keep cameron and to keep it going on to cameron, is there any kind of improvement that is suggested for the y intersection that really makes cameron the through route as opposed to right now it really still seems to be on a map that yager is the more direct route. My question is is it possible for yager to be t'd into cameron as opposed to cameron being t'd into come ran/yager.
>> i'll ask my traffic engineer that question.
>> because otherwise we still have typical construction of that y intersection that seems to be using yager as a more direct route.
>> I知 david greer, and right now cameron road -- I guess the main direction of the county road does continue on cameron. There's curve warning signs for that curve, and the pavement also is very clear that the road continues that way. And yager kind of doesn't t in, but y's in. There could be certain ways we could manage that intersection a little bit to make it even more clear. That's about all I can think of right now.
>> david, just a quick follow-up of the suggestion we just got there related to the possibility of putting stop signs at that y intersection that basically says you are not allowed to blast through here at whatever speed you can pick up at. That there is a point there that you have to stop and slow acceleration? Can that be looked at?
>> right now if you come up cameron and you want to turn on to yager, you have to make essentially a left turn, but because of the configuration, you can almost just go straight through without making a left turn. You have to yield to southbound cameron right now. We can't put a stop sign on cameron at that location because it's not really an intersection. Southbound yager there is a stop sign.
>> thanks very much. Who else wants to testify during this public hearing? Can I see your hands? Anybody else in the audience going to testify on this? Two more people? Three more? Thank you, ms. Rimer. So is this a temporary solution recommended or what?
>> there's really no alternative at this point unless you just want to totally prohibit trucks on any of the roads.
>> you wrote down the points that ms. Brimmer made? Yes, sir, in the middle?
>> I知 curt way rick and I知 with waste management. We use that road that they're talking about. Really the young lady on my left here pretty much covered all the points that we were going to make. One is that that road as far as it being cleaned off and on for easy access and being able to see on the road. Making the turns off of that road right or left are going to be a bit difficult for truck traffic. Also when it does rain, and the rains we've had lately, that road is pretty much impassable. You cannot use that road. Really springdale, which is further up this way, we're trying -- we're not supposed to be using springdale either. Basically what we're doing is we're cutting off all northern thoroughfares up to parmer. That's pretty much what it's going to come down to. And 290 is the only alternative. If it rains that would be our only road. We wouldn't be able to use that road. We'd have to come back down. Of course, harris branch, that's already been covered that we can't use that road. So it's really getting limited. They're kind of narrowing down the thoroughfares that we're allowed to use. I知 just pointing that out. And that particular y intersection that they're talking about using is in need of repair.
>> do you recall complaints from the neighborhood association?
>> we have. We address them during our safety meetings, we sit down with the drivers, our drivers. There's a lot of traffic that -- two landfills, there's quite a few different companies that are using that road. In our safety meetings we address about speeding on the road, using the road. It took us a little while to finally get everybody on board not to use springdale know more because of the fact that there are a lot of organized residents and all that that didn't want us on that road. So we've made a conscious effort to stay off of there. On the road that we're using here, as far as the speeding and all, we do address it. I didn't bring the safety meetings when we do cover it, but repeatedly whenever we get a phone call, it's immediately put on the Wednesday safety meeting or information meeting for that morning to cover with the drivers. If a driver should ever get a speeding ticket or any kind of violation on that road, they know it's a disciplinary action. Two of those could mean termination of their job. We address it seriously whenever anything could happen. Or if they get in an accident, we also have a discipline procedure for accidents and incidents. So we make a conscious effort to try and limit the speed that the drivers are going on that road. And we address it during our meetings almost immediately after it's brought up by the residents. We try to -- their our neighbors. We don't want to infewer rate our numbers because we have to use that road often.
>> what if we get between now and Friday a specific list of actions that waste management could take with its drivers to address some of the yager lane problems? I知 suggesting, joe, that we cannot act on this today anyway. But if you do that, that would help some.
>> you give them to me and we'll jump on them.
>> okay. Yes, ma'am?
>> my name is wanda gallon and I live on yager lane. And waste management has -- i've noticed that their trucks during the day do drive slower. It's the night or the early morning when they don't. There are a lot of waste trucks that are travelling down that road that are either not part of his company as a whole or both of those landfills, they are like other companies that have subcontracted with them to use their waste. Those companies aren't here and it's -- they do speed all times during the day. I have a neurological condition that physically handy caps me from walking many times and I have been pushed into the ditch when I go to get my mail. We can't go to -- I can't cross the road to get my mail easily because of the truck traffic. Now, I have my son and my husband that they primarily pick it up for me and we do have a younger child that lives on our road, and they've tried to let her ride the bike even with her parents, and she can't do that. We just don't have a normal life-style on that because of the increased truck traffic. We used to only have waste trucks, and now we're getting petroleum trucks, rock trucks. Our road bed is probably not configured to handled that. The best would be parmer to 290 because they're a tricker bedded road, and eventually they're going to tear our road up by allowing that to stay on there. And the larger 18-wheeler trucks are constantly blowing their horns. It doesn't matter what time of day. They come down there and in order to keep us off of the road, they just -- from the start of our road to parmer from cameron to parmer, they lay on their horn. And whether it's for the animals or people driving out of their driveways, but you cannot see anybody or anything, and they're still honking their horn all the time.
>> the comment that you made, is that significant truck traffic, is it in the morning? What time of the day?
>> it goes probably from about 3:00 in the morning until about 11:30 at night.
>> okay. And I guess my concern is the complaints that have been coming in, and I know waste management did say that they have looked and investigated --
>> and you can tell that waste management has done something because if waste management sees you, they slow down and not their horn. But that's their trucks. That doesn't include bfi, it doesn't include Texas landfill trucks, action. There are several other -- they subcontract out to different companies besides just their own that they allow to come to their landfill. And those companies, they don't do anything about their trucks. I have noticed a difference with waste management personally because they are slower. But we are posted at 35 miles per hour. And you don't make as much noise when you go 35 miles per hour. As when you go 50.
>> you live on yager lane, ma'am?
>> yes.
>> thank you. Yes, sir. We have two seatsavailable if g testimony during this public hearing, please come forward. Yes?
>> I live at 305 mulcher road. That's just north of yager lane, running into it. And i've got a pasture on the southeast corner of parmer and yager there, and them 18 wheeleders come down through there and they will mow you down. They're there before you know it. And they couldn't stop. And when they come off of parmer there and go down yager they take up the whole road and run eafer the curb too. -- over the rush too. And coming north, they're running 50, 55 miles per hour knowing they've got to stop up there. And it's kind of dangerous the trucks coming through there and they're tearing that road up too. The road was fixed four or five years ago. That's about all i've got to say.
>> so you're in favor of the action that's recommended?
>> yeah.
>> limiting truck traffic on yager at this point?
>> yes.
>> I知 kent whitmire. This is my neighbor. The trucks come at three or four in the morning and they come by empty first. And the roads are so wavy the trucks bounce and is sounds like thunder when they land, every morning that they go by. In the nighttime when they come back, they leave trash, computer parts, construction trash, everything for the next week, the -- the trash that people come by and pick up, once a week they pick up all the stuff that they leave off. But the noise and the trash is one thing, the speed is outrageous. I知 not there -- I知 out there every morning and every afternoon waving them down, please slow down, please slow down. Read my lips, please slow down. I do everything. And my neighbor is iew there doing the same thing. They honk, they disregard us. They threaten. I've seen a truck if he could have stopped he would have come back, but he was going so fast, you know -- I know he was mad at me, but he's going so fast he can't stop. And I pull out of my driveway, I look down my driveway and nothing's coming. I get out on the street, they're on me so quick that he's doing 50 or 60 when I didn't see him when I pulled out of my driveway. The noise, the safety. This is my daughter she was talking about, can't ride her bike, can't exercise like kids like to do. I've got to keep all my dogs inside my gate because I done had one run over by a big truck. And my neighbors have had animals killed, pets. And I live right in the middle of that stretch where they pick up all the speed right there in front of my house, and that's -- that's not the best road in the world, and they're bouncing up and down and making noise and throwing trash on the road. That's all I have to say.
>> thank you. Yes, sir?
>> my name is cease sill (indiscernible) and I live on the county road and my wife just spoke here just recently. I知 aware of what the problems that the people on yager lane are having, but to me that -- to move that traffic on to cameron road is one of the dumbest things i've ever seen. It's very unsafe. And what he was just saying that the trucks are all over the road, when they come down cameron road and they try to cross this bridge on the curve, a blind curve, they're going to be forced to move into the opposite lane, and that's bad. I drove an 18-wheeler for a number of years, and I know that you cannot stay in that lane -- in one lane to make a curve, so it would be very dangerous and I知 very opposed to putting trucks on cameron road because it's not safe. I知 on that road everyday, and there's no place to go, nobody maintains it. Nobody maintains the speed. I don't understand why in this is in the city limit why the city doesn't do something. We've called them a number of types to come clean the grass down on the side so we have a shoulder. They never show up. I don't know why they would do that now. Who's going to maintain that road, that's what my question is? Who is going to maintain it and keep it up. It needs repairs in the worst way, it needs to be widened. What are the steps that are going to be done to take care of this? Thank you.
>> i've got one more comment on this. I've been asked for an alternative route, and blew goose and cameron they can always go straight, straight to ferguson to cameron road. I work on rundberg myself. And there's a lot of difference in the 35 miles speed where I work at and where I live they're both 35, but there's a lot more difference in the respect and the way they maintain the trucks. In town it's a smoother ride. Where we're at its a little bit rougher. At two or three in the morning, they could easily get on 290. You could get to south Austin in 15, 20 minutes. No traffic holding you back. Why do they have to use our neighborhood? And we do ask you -- that's what we would prefer since we have the trucks there and putting the three-way stop or whatever, they're still there, shooting the fingers at us, using the mf word at us. And -- at men and women. And it's going beyond speed and noise. They're getting real aggressive with us.
>> so when did these problems start?
>> these problems started years ago, many years ago. Last year -- I just started -- last year in November, if you care to see this list.
>> if you give me a copy of it, he will make sure the court gets it.
>> we have called all these companies, my neighbors have called the companies, and they all say they have safety meetings, they talk to their drivers. It seems like when we do this, we tried to control the situation, they come down a little bit hard on us.
>> meaning instead of getting better, they get worse?
>> yes, sir. Sometimes it's like -- they see the bigger companies doing it and now they have the individuals coming through there. If they can do it, they don't see why other people can't do it. We need this solved today or come back next month.
>> well, I think we will need a little time. It seems to be bigger than we thought. Now, we have -- if you were here during this public hearing and would like to give comment, this is your last opportunity to come forward. So please do so at this time. Then we have two more speakers. Yes, sir.
>> my name is Ron mcgoen,ive live in the center section of yager lane. And this problem when it started, it started when they brought parmer lane through because it became a main thoroughfare and it became a shortcut for all the vehicles to get -- particularly to the landfill. One thing that's been mentioned that hasn't really been pointed out or emphasized is not only are we getting the waste carrying the garbage trucks, we are starting to get quite a volume of petroleum carriers, gasoline haulers. And they're coming through this area, cutting through over to johnnie morris. So it's become a shortcut for everybody to take. The road wasn't designed for that. It's a two-lane road. It's not straight. They've upgraded the surface on it a couple of times, most likely due because it was carrying more than it was supposed to. Alternative routes, what is being proposed here and going on the stretch of cameron, I agree with our neighbors that live on cameron. I want the trucks off my road, but they don't belong there. That is a low water crossing. It's closed. It's a bridge that doesn't have any side rails. If you can imagine what would happen if you were to lose a fuel tanker down there in the ditch, it's going right into a greek. You would have a huge cleanup problem. But that's -- the alternative to me is to take everybody down the four-lane highway to 290. And come around that way. You've got roads that are built for that. The capacity is there to handle the traffic. That seems to me to be the reasonable solution for it. But we do have -- we have a problem. We've got a problem with the noise, we've got a problem with speed. And we have roadways out there that just aren't designed to haul the loads that are being put on them.
>> okay. What have we not heard? Ms. Betts?
>> I wanted to say that I think that mr. Mcgoen has touched on a solution here. When I spoke with the county I was told that there was no way the county can designate or recommend a specific route for the trucks. But it seems to me the solution is if the county would support us in going to the state and asking the state to insist that parmer lane to 290 is the truck route, that would solve the problems as far as the trucks are concerned on the cut-through traffic and being around neighborhoods with lots of people. I don't know what your ability is to do that. We're asking you to support whatever needs to be done to make that happen.
>> and our final speaker today... Yes, ma'am?
>> I just wanted to agree with what has been said. I agree with her whole wholeheartedly. I wish that you as the Commissioners or whoever could help us to designate roads that are actually made for truck traffic instead of putting them through the country where they weren't designed for that. I do have one question. Is the truck traffic -- if the truck traffic is rerouted on to cameron road or some of these roads are des eggnated as no truck traffic, what happens if a person lives on that road and has a truck and has -- does, you know, business with this truck? I mean not out there, but they're going to have to access that road to get home and to wherever they're going. So I have a neighbor who has a truck that he carries equipment and things on, an 18-wheeler, and does some mowing. And so I was wondering what would happen there. And one other comment and then I知 through. I have some pictures of that stretch of cameron road that we're talking about with the low water crossing, and the bridge that does not have the rail, like the man said, and I知 going to give them to you.
>> are you prepared to leave those with us?
>> yes, sir, I am.
>> thank you.
>> and it needs -- if need be, i'll discuss them with you or you can give me a call. My number is 272-8352. And i'll be glad to meet anyone out there and take you down on that stretch of road if necessary.
>> what's your last name?
>> brimert? Evelyn.
>> we have your family here today, don't we?
>> yes.
>> what's the answer to that question, joe?
>> the solution would be for through trucks, anyone that's delivering or lives on the road with a truck, the restriction would not apply.
>> but through trucks would be prohibited, not what they call local traffic. If you have business inside there, then you would be allowed to do it. Do we need one week or two weeks?
>> two weeks.
>> joe, I don't know -- (indiscernible). No through traffic trucks on the road, I think by law you have to a have an alternate route for the truck traffic to travel on. And I think -- is that by law? What's the deal on that?
>> there's no requirement in the law that you have an alternate route before you do a no through truck prohibition. That's more of a policy matter or a traffic management matter, but there's no legal --
>> okay. I wanted to get that clear. It was also brought to my attention that you had to have an alternate route. Or if you do install no through -- before you do install no through truck traffic signs. If that's a policy decision and not a requirement, you have two parties here that are being impacted, the folks that live on yager lane and of course the ones that live on cameron road. Some of the disclosures that we've had today, the things that we've talked about the traffic on that road, from the trucks, not only that, but the rudeness and the behavior of the truck drivers I think is something that's not tolerable as far as I知 concerned. So again, I think we do need some time to maybe hash out some things, but I知 glad that tom illustrated the point and brought out the point that we do not have to have an alternate route for trucks if we install no through truck traffic signs. I think it's very significant. And so I want to make sure that that's very clear as far as where we're coming from and what we need to do to make sure that you have a comfort level in the area where you reside. Again, I知 looking forward to looking at the recommendations of what we've heard today, come back to the Commissioners court so we can move forward, and have some kind of quality of life for these folks up there that have been bombarded by a whole bunch of stuff. The truck traffic is just one element that we're involved with. Thank you.
>> Commissioner Daugherty?
>> what's the mileage -- what's the mileage roadwise, not as the crow files, from yager and cameron if you were to take it all the way to 290 and then from -- or parmer and then parmer back to blue goose to basically the landfill? Approximately how many miles is that?
>> I anticipated the question. From the landfill to the intersection of yager and parmer, there's it's a different mileage, if you took 290 to parmer and then back up yager, it would be of .5 mieldz. Right now the road we're taking up to yager and all the way up to parmer is 3.9 miles.
>> okay. From yager is parmer is how far?
>> from yager to the landfill.
>> to the landfill.
>> yes. To yager at parmer. And the landfill is a 3.9-mile route.
>> so the differential is roughly three miles?
>> yes.
>> what percentage of the truck traffic is waste related?
>> it's really hard to determine exactly. I'd hate to try to guess. It was a mix of petroleum trucks and trash trucks.
>> so 33% of the traffic may be truck traffic, so how many trucks per day would that be?
>> the stretch of yager is 161 trucks southbound, 155 northbound.
>> a day?
>> yeah, that's 33% of the total traffic, 161 is. You could back that out and get a total volume.
>> so about 500. So you have 450 to 500 cars a day on yager, of which a third of them is trucks. And you've got -- if you've been out there at all, you've got to know the overwhelming majority of them are going to the landfill, obviously you have a lot of those type trucks, but the majority of them are for the landfill.
>> probably, yes.
>> I guess as far as the percentage --
>> let's put it off for two weeks. We'll have it back on.
>> I just wonder how many trucks -- I can't give you the exact amount, but just the tankers alone, when we have done some research on 290, we were getting the figures of 200 trucks a day. Just tankers, just gasoline tankers.
>> 200?
>> 200 minimum a day one way. And (indiscernible). They used to take springdale, now they have to take something else.
>> and judge, two weeks, i'll hold my questions until later.
>> if you have business that you were not able to -- testimony you were not able to give today, should they contact the engineer or you. 854-8943.
>> move that the public hearing be closed.
>> and joe will get that information. All in favor? That passes by unanimous vote. Thank you very much for coming down. We'll try to do the right thing.

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