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Travis County Commissioners Court

October 19, 2004
Item 21

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21 is to consider and take appropriate action on the following requests related to a comprehensive study on compensation for various categories of peace officers, a, the composition of a working group to formulate a request or proposal/services for professional services on peace officer compensation. 21-b is a statement of Commissioner's court expectations from the comprehensive study. C is guidelines to promote an objective, fair and ininclusive process. D is a written overview of the process, including in-house initiatives, contracted services, appropriate milestones and schedule. And I guess sid is headed this way?
>> ms. Graimz did designate holder on this project. Frank?
>> should we take the items in the order listed on the agenda?
>> we're both from human resources. I provided to the court late afternoon yesterday information that pretty much summarized the activities that -- and actions that had already been taken by the court. The document that you have before you defines the purpose of the study, which of course we're looking for more clarification as you anticipate it, you would be given today. In terms of focusing on the purpose, I did attach the initial memorandum that was distributed and discussed by the court on Tuesday, September the 21st. At this point it's the questions within that memorandum that we are accepting as your direction to us in terms of the items and issue that you would want this comprehensive study to address. If there are others, we would be, as we've included in the time line, soliciting that information not only from other members of the court, but also from the various interest groups and departments as we would move forward with the implementation plan that we have attached. Those -- in addition to that, the team would be expected to follow with some modifications as appropriate the job analysis methodology that we have used to apply to all of the classification work that we have done. We do anticipate that based on the uniqueness of this study that there would be slight changes in the way that we've done other studies versus how this one would be done. As an example, we typically use three market matches within a study like this the scope would be much broader and of course we would be including the counties, city government as well as municipal areas in the region as well as locally. So the scope in terms of the market would be very different. A second example of how we might have differences here is that we typically get position analysis questionaires from each person affected within a study. As we are moving forward with the direction of the court, we would be getting that kind of input from the groups that are represented, departments as well as the interest groups, and information that has already been provided to you, but that that we would also solicit as updates to that as we move forward. The implementation strategy, the court last week determined that there would be a two-prong approach to this strategy. That an internal team comprised of some to be determined, but those already determined are the purchasing office, county attorney's office, planning and budget as well as hrmd as well as others that you would be designating today. You also, of course, allocated a 50,000 maximum earmark against allocated reserve. Those funds are to support the expenses of a consultant who would be analyzing the data that is the internal team would pull together, and also to offset any support that hl or the internal team would need through interns to complete the work itself. What I did last week was a slight query that went out to all the individuals who exit on the pops scale. In that query I have the summary of that included on pages 3 and 4 of your backup, so we've listed the departments, we've also noted if the departments reply to the query that was submitted to them, we provide for you the number of slots that are represented in each department as well as the titles that we would be looking at. The results of that, the results are as represented, the departments are noted that replied as well as the interest groups. As we move on with the backup, just to get through this before discussion, on page 5 we have a proposed schedule appeared timetable that you requested that we bring to you. We do start out with a very aggressive schedule in getting an r.f.p. Developed and released no later than mid December. And then having the results of the work together by June of 2005. So we can certainly dive into the details of this, but this in general is what we were asked to resubmit to you.
>> so who should be on the -- on a there, the r.f.p. Or rfs? Internal working group?
>> in talking with the purchasing agent, it was determined that a team of maximum five should be on that group. They should be the purchase and office, of course. I don't have them identified specifically. Those that have been mentioned. Pbo. The county attorney's office. I would certainly think that representation from the department with the largest number of flats on the pop scale should be represented, and of course that's the sheriff's office. In addition to that, we have groups that are represented here. The constables perhaps could have a representative on that particular team.
>> we have a maximum of five. Who suggested that.
>> the purchasing agent from five to seven individuals.
>> I think the biggest question that's continuing to come up is who is doing what? I watch the e-mails go back and forth this last week with the sheriff and others on this, and there seems to be one school of thought that it is whoever is on any kind of team that's going to redesign the entire system and make a recommendation so the vested interest would be designing the cops scale. And then there are others that say, that's not what's going on, they're just there to provide input. It's really going to be getting independent thought, independent analysis, and then those other folks will be at the table. But they are not the ones who will be designing a program for themselves. And so can you please be helpful as to in this point in time this team that we're talking about for the r.f.p., What are the expectations of this team? And if you're not on this team, does that mean, well, I知 not at the table any more?
>> I think it definitely does not mean that. It could be -- the internal team that's referenced here is -- I知 thinking of two teams. One team that would be the -- what we call the evaluation team of the r.f.p., To develop it, to actually put the solicitation out, to receive that, and then to incorporate all of the inputs that have been provided by the court and others to ensure that that r.f.p. Scope includes all of that. That's five to seven individuals. There's a larger team, which I would call more of the subject matter expert team. That team would be a much larger team that would really serve to provide the project with input based upon their particular positions, the duties -- sort of like a paq team. We would go to them and say are we really matching to the duties and responsibilities that you are actually delivering for Travis County? So we're working with two teams to have the larger team involved to evaluate the wrch would be really cumbersome. There's nothing to say, however, that once the scope of services has been developed under that r.f.p. That we would not send that out to that larger body to say have we not included everything that you would want to have addressed within that. So we're talking about two teams. Does that answer your question? And it's not my impression -- it's my impression that the court has charged us with allowing my groups to determine the compensation structure or their salaries any more than you would have allowed us to do that under the other classification work that we've brought forward to you. The work is objective. We receive the input. We go into the market. And from that dat we then come with objectives, input, our report for you to make that policy decision based on the objective data that's been collected, analyzed and recommended by the consultant.
>> i've got five already. We're talking purchasing, pbo, the county attorney, (indiscernible) and of course hr to be part of this as well. Who else do we need to be on?
>> I think that's enough, myself.
>> that's five.
>> Commissioner Daugherty?
>> well -- we won't get through this. It's not posted for today, right? I think after we make these four decisions, whatever it takes to get the job done, get it done. Yes, sir?
>> well, my only concern would be I do think that if you don't have a spot at the table with regards to weighing in on the r.f.p., Then I知 going to have the same thing that I had last year. And what I知 trying to keep from happening during budget is an investigator from the county attorney telling me why he's different from the investigator from the district attorney, telling me why he's different from an investigator from the public defenders office. Stop it.
>> I think under c we also have an opportunity for the various affected groups of employees to provide input. And they provided input to the Commissioners court forever. And I don't know that it's helped us. That's why I think we should put this process in place, contract with some outside expertise and make the call. If we're not planning to do that, we're wasting money and time.
>> what I hope to tell them this year is we hope to make this decision, you need to pull a report and look at page whatever it is.
>> and not making any kind of conclusions about anything you just said there. I agree with you in terms of somebody saying I知 different. This is simply saying what is the scope of the services and the questions and the formulating of the question to be asked of an outside consultant. It doesn't say, and what are the answer to those questions.
>> I知 fine with it, I mean, if that's -- if I don't get it next budget cycle where I made some suggestions, but they really didn't get put in the r.f.p. I知 willing to go forward with this if you think we can get what we want. That's great. If we're going to go through this, let's make sure we don't have somebody that says, you really should have stood your ground, Commissioner Daugherty, and cedric benson we all should have had a spot at the table. I realize you can't have 20 people on the committee or then you won't get anywhere, but I知 fine with it, if you think that's where they need to go and the court says, then I want to really just make sure that --
>> there will be two opportunities, real significant opportunities. One will be when the smaller team or group creates the scope of services, based on your input and what we're hoping to get from thus knows groups you're speaking of, one to two page statement of their issues, you'll see in the timetable we have that feedback scheduled to come before the scope of services is developed or released. So that's an opportunity for that level of input. And once we complete the scope of services, they give the input and then we send it back out to them to say does it represent what you wanted, want us to search in the marketplace? Then we move forward, we get the consultant in place, we collect the data, and then the team is still sitting there as a resource to access the data to come in and say -- not only give them information, but also get information from them that will shape the content of the report and the analysis of it.
>> in a I move that we have representative from the planning and budget office, county attorney, purchasing, hrmd and a person appointed by the county sheriff.
>> second.
>> discussion? All in favor? That passes by unanimous vote. B is a statement of Commissioners courts' expectations. Last week I put together what's dated October 15, 2004. A memo that in my view summarizes the heartache, headaches that I had gone through during the last year's budget processes. And I think that ultimately these are the issues that we are confronted with and what we ought to get recommendations and information about. First is a sort of comparative analysis of what we do here in Travis County for peace officers, two other urban counties in Texas. And I try to break it down into different categories that will pick up all of the affected employees from the shif's office, law enforcement, corrections, then the deputy constables, park rangers, investigators, etcetera. And three, we want a recommendation as for compensation in each category from the expert at some point, right? And four and five, I think we want this expert to also take a look at benefits and compare those, not only the automobile, the premium pay that we provide similar to what's provided by a.p.d., But also any other benefits that ought to be taken into account. So I try to be specific enough to give real guidance, but at the same time open enough for the expert pretty much to go at it. And that's what those two pages are about. If you answer all the questions that Commissioner Sonleitner and I put in the documents that we provided probably a month or so ago, then you get a real good feel for the issues that we've been dealing with and the kind of assistance that we're looking for, I think.
>> judge, you've got a great list. I want to make sure that the other questions I put -- because this seems to be focusing on it's really a market study, how do we compare? And I think the things that I tried to build into the questions to be asked, really went beyond that of simply let's just compare the numbers. Talking about building cowkt, building stability and predictability into the system to talk about parity, whether that is a goal or not. And the whole idea of flexibility versus inflexibility that is built into whatever system we stein. I want to make sure it's not simply a -- we're just checking the numbers because, as we've all found, as soon as we match to somebody, somebody else says, well, we can't have Travis County be that close to us, and it just becomes an arms race of efb trying to jack it up above everybody else. And it's not really reflecting -- well, it reflects that.
>> did you get recommendations from -- (indiscernible) at some point we have to have the reasons for this rengs. If we get that, I think that's all we can hope for. That's what b is intended to do. The other thing is that if you reach an impasse, at some point during the process, we would simply agendaize this and let the court provide further guidance. Anything else on b?
>> no.
>> c, in terms of an objective, fair and inclusive process, I think up pront front we contact all affected employees and their groups and also their officials and ask them for guidance on compensation for them. And I think the beauty of it now is we're asking them to advise the information that they have provided to court recently. I know I provided everything that I could receive and find a few days ago, and that's not to say, though, that the affected groups should not produce a different document if they had one. And so I think they ought to know you've got additional ideas, then you need to give them to this group right now.
>> do you know what the judge said, it's really almost asking not necessarily on the front end because I don't mind if it's on the front end. They will need to prioritize what really are the things that if we could fix everything in this system, what would it be? I知 sure each could come up with a list of 100 each, but we really need to focus it down to are there some things that really matter more that while we try and design this as opposed to in a perfect world you would want to have that on the table because at some point we will need to focus is it strictly the money issue? Sts a supervision issue? Is it the topping out a 20 year issue of this? I don't know the answers. And I don't have any problem with them saying, do you know what, upon reflection later into the process to say if they change their mind about what their priorities are, I知 fine with that too. But I think at some point we are going to need to have them focus on what do you see as the priorities and let's see if there is any further discussion kind of meeting of the finds as to where to focus effort, otherwise this thing could take forever and we don't have forever.
>> we have included in your schedule and timetable the date of October 29th. I know that a great deal of thought has gone already into what the issues are, and what we would want is to get from all of those individuals or organizations a one to two-page max statement that does exactly what you're describing. What are your issues in order of priority? Once that statement is received, the data from that statement that we will ensure go into the scope of services as I mentioned earlier as we make the solicitation, as we pull together the survey instrument to start collecting the data against what they know or have stated as the priorities. So we would want to reinforce the need to get that information in by October the 29th, which is a very critical juncture for us if we're going to be able to move this before we move into the holiday season. That's an appeal to the public that's listening, October the 29th. And we'll get something out, of course, from the groups.
>> did we need to issue a timetable?
>> I think it's a very good one.
>> to be honest, I was hoping we could get the recommendations to the Commissioners court before June 30.
>> that's the no later than date. Whenever you see a date posted, we're really working against an internal date that's at least 30 days earlier. So I知 hoping also, judge, that it would come in well before then. In fact, possibly sometime in may, mid to late may. But that would be the absolute latest.
>> I知 saying I think we need it in April or may.
>> in April or may?
>> I would say -- I would say at the latest -- I think we ought to aim for like may 15th.
>> okay.
>> if we go to June 30th, we hit the preliminary budget deadline.
>> yeah.
>> I hope that we can land on our response to the recommendations months, six weeks before the preliminary budget is given to us, pbo needs it I think to do its work.
>> may 15th it is.
>> that's what I would do. Any objection to that?
>> I agree.
>> that's the new no later than.
>> I知 assuming that it will take us some time to -- i'd rather spend that time in may than August through September.
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>> thank you all very much.
>> and thank you.

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