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Travis County Commissioners Court

September 7, 2004
Item 7

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Let's jump to number 7, we need to figure out what to do on item 7. 7 is to consider and take appropriate action on fy '05 compensation for employees. A is cost of living increase for Travis County retirees. What we have in the preliminary budget is an increase for Travis County retirees. [papers shuffling - audio interference] I move that we approve the amount of three percent which is contained in the preliminary budget as a cost of living increase for Travis County retirees.
>> second.
>> discussion?
>> judge, one question was raised by the retirees when they came to the public hearing. And if there was semi way for us to have a raise built in every year instead of them worrying about whether it will be dropped. It will drop for several years, and I guess we kind of lost track of it. So --
>> when we look at active employees, that's on their salaries that we ought to consider the retirees automatically. I don't know that we ought to promise to consider them no matter what we do.
>> so be consistent with rank and file?
>> that's what we've done the last few times we gave rank and file, incumbent employees increases, right, the last three or four times? We didn't necessarily give the same amount, but we gave them some.
>> yes, you have given an amount. It hasn't necessarily been the same amount because one is a cola, and in the past, for example, sometimes you've awarded performance-based pay and it's 100% of performance-based pay and still award add cola. And -- awarded a cola. The way the Texas county retirement system is set up, you are actually to actually make a separate vote each year so what to provide the retirees. There isn't any general direction you provided to the planning and budget office on this question. We've basically kind of handled it on an ad hoc basis to the degree you want to provide some direction. However, if you say rank and file get a cola, we should follow suit. But next year that leaves an open-ended question about retirees.
>> I just don't want them to forget retirees. Iks I think when we give pay raises to incumbent employees, we ought to consider some increase for retirees.
>> and I think we followed that suit.
>> any discussion of the motion? Additional discussion? All in favor? That passes by unanimous vote. Peace officers are next. B-1, university officers. 2, corrections officers. 3 supervisors in corrections. And 4, peace officers outside the sheriff's office. As kind of an overview, my own view is that on September 21st there should be an agenda item for the Commissioners court to consider taking a comprehensive look at compensation for the sheriff's office, especially corrections and law enforcement, the non-sheriff's office peace officers, supervisors and managers, etcetera. And the question that we need to mull over between now and then is whether we contract it out or try do it in-house. And the jail compensation study went very well. And we need to try to reduce the cost, but at the appropriate time we got some outside expertise. And I think we ought to use this approach in the future because annually, in the last few months we've had reports from the various departments who have organized, some formal, some informal, but we will put in place a pay structure to allow for three, four or five years and let them know what we're trying on do and what we'll do ourselves. And you put that structure in place and you still have to review it. But I would think we would not review it every year. That does not make this year's decision any less painful, but if we were to do that at least, we would know in advance what we plan to do. It's like of state of Texas, subject to the availability of funds, but if we had a structure in place, it would help. Right now law enforcement would like to be tied to apd, corrections wants to be tied to law enforcement. Correction supervisors want to match the law enforcement supervisors. Sheriff's peace officers want to be tied to law enforcement in the sheriff's office, and those relationships may make sense. And I need a lot more expertise that could help us land on that. And I知 mindful also in order to do this we need to start early in the fiscal year in order to give affected persons an opportunity to provide input to whatever is doing the work for us. If we do this, we would need to set aside some amount of money, and I keep thinking that $50,000 ought to be sufficient based on what the jail operations consultant cost us. And rather than budgeting that separately, we could have it earmarked against the allocated reserve. This is just something to think about between -- I say the 21st because next week we do have a couple of big items on the agenda already. I do think we ought to land on on that before October 1 so we can go ahead and put it in place. So having said that, I have thought about the various subgroups. Money is not infinite. And what I had -- what I hope we can do is the best we can with the resources that we have. And try to make peace and at the same time be fair to all these people. I can lay out my compensation strategy or I can listen to somebody else.
>> i'd be happy to hear yours.
>> here's what I think we can afford and here's what I think we ought to do. For the corrections supervisors or management, and I think they have been called both, that we would budget 50% of what has been recommended. And what's been recommended is parity with law enforcement. So my recommendation would be 50%. For the corrections --
>> 50%? What was that according to? Because the parity figure was 507,864? What was that figure?
>> (indiscernible).
>> but they're all really good.
>> if you look at this, se he says cost of corrections management that might have parity, $253,917. We would add to that increment of 1.25 if we follow the rest of the strategy. And that would be an additional $64,696. If you add those two figures together, you ought to get something close to 318,000, right?
>> I can certainly just add it up and tell you.
>> 318,613, yes, that's correct.
>> the second part of this would be that for corrections that we add 2.25% to the 2.75 already in the budget. That gets down to five. If we try to cover 670 corrections staff members, that would be $715,150. My recommendation further is that we add to the law enforcement of sheriff's office, and the other piece officers and other offices, constables, investigators, rangers, etcetera, will really get them to four%, which is 1.25, that's $248,951. So all of those should total $1.8 million. I don't see us supporting more than that. Now, the reason that I say that amount for law enforcement is if you consider where they are now compared to corrections, that really ought to leave the gap about what it is. So four percent of an amount of a larger amount would be about the same as five percent of a smaller one. I did not do that calculation. I知 trying to use east Texas common sense on that. I think it will be close, though. So what this strategy does is to do a little something for everybody that we've heard from. They will spend $1.282 million --
>> let me second that because we need to discuss and look at all the -- do we have this money in hand?
>> it just wipes out what we did three seconds ago.
>> well, I am tempted to say yes because of the word that you received on the ongoing resources with the road and bridge revenue, going to the general fund of at least a million and a half. I, however, must ask my colleague whether there are any last minute issues. I believe those issues are one time. But I want to make sure so I give you the right answer.
>> may I ask this question. What we are doing here is kind of adding small amounts to what's in the preliminary budget.
>> you're adding $1.2 million.
>> even though a small amount is added would be an additional $1.282 million.
>> that's correct. The 1.3 is there if you tie it to what we were talking about on road and bridge. And that will leave very little for ongoing resources for anything you want to do tomorrow. But I saw a preliminary update two days ago and I know a lot of people have been very busy in the last few days. And we've had labor day holiday.
>> let me see the connection I can make with the money coming over from the road and bridge. And that is that the patrol, the law enforcement folks who are out on the street patrolling, there is a relationship there. And I can connect it fairly well. So I can go there. The other question I have is where would this put the sheriff's law enforcement in relationship to apd? Which was the other issue that we were trying to address, you know, so that the message is sent that our -- I have confidence in our sheriff's department as much as I have in the a.p.d. And so.
>> --
>> one answer to that is if you value the take-home vehicle. That's why it's complicated.
>> my only question is where does this put law enforcement in relationship to a.p.d.?
>> and that's why --
>> in terms of parity.
>> and if you include the value of the take-home vehicle, that gives you one number. If you exclude the value of the take-home vehicle, that gives you another number. And it also is complicated by the fact that there are many different comparisons of someone who has only been there a couple of years versus somebody who has been there many years. Bill can speak to that.
>> well, not much better than that actually. I知 not sure because we really haven't done it with this exact four percent increase. I certainly can do that in the next couple of days or so. It is not that far if you assume --
>> they may not be that important, judge. I just wondered if we had the answer readily available so that I could look at that issue as well. But maybe it's not essential and we have to look at that versus this.
>> we have a stab at it.
>> and the stab is that at various steps for various types of officers, using the 2.75%, so it would be less problematic with a four percent increase. If you assume the value of the vehicle, which is about -- I will have to look at this real quick. It's about $4,238 counting capital and operating costs for sergeants and deputies and about 4878 for lieutenants. At 2.75%, the deputy, senior deputies would be 3.6% behind a.p.d., Step 6. Step 11 they would be 3.1%. And step 16, which is out quite aways, it would be 8.4%. Those percentages would be smaller at four percent than the 2.75%. For a sergeant it would be 5.9% at step 6. 4.2% at step 11 and 9.4% for step 16. Again, this is including the vehicle. Again, they would be somewhat smaller. Basically what occurs is that the further out you go on the step, the bigger the gap widens.
>> if we include corrections and all of the peace officers in what I知 trying to do, you end up dealing with a whole lot of employees. The number gets big. So although the amount is big too, when you look at the per person increase, it's relatively small. And what I had tried to really was to factor in all of the relevant concerns, look at the amount of money available and basically try to get everybody a little something. In the end I think that we need a study done that we buy into, and I don't know that we will ever get unanimous agreement. But we all say this is what we plan to do, and annually we will know what direction we're headed in and we will prepare for that, do that periodically, instead of the ad hoc approach that we're doing now.
>> well, given the fact that the money is not, you know -- is not available in huge amounts, I think that as usual we've done a very fair job in trying to work with that number.
>> we just seconds ago found out that there may be 1.38 million of new, ongoing funds made available. If we take this action, it would literally wipe out everything in terms of those resources. So when we start mockup tomorrow, there's nothing. There's nothing other than maybe 180, $200,000 of ongoing money to take care of things like increasing the amount for the after school programs, the basic needs coalition, something I think the sheriff's office cares dearly about, which is the cold case unit. There's an awful lot of things, and I am happy to stick this into the parking lot and let's see if what is left over at the end and much of what is left over goes towards this. But to say that the most important things before we even start markup is to put more money into law enforcement and corrections are numbers that basically give them pretty close to the same raise as our rank and file, I can't go there at this point because we haven't had an opportunity to talk about the facts implementation, ongoing money, the hospital district reserve. There's an awful lot of stuff on what christian just gave us, $2.3 million in ongoing requests, that at least three of us said i'd like to talk about that. There's no reason for us to even have markup if that's the case because there's no money other than if we were to go to a tax increase, and I haven't heard anybody here say that the way to get ourselves out of this would be to borrow more on or to raise the effective tax rate. I can't go here. And it doesn't mean that I don't think the world of these folks, but I can't make this decision today before I go into markup because otherwise I would have to turn down every single request tomorrow because all the money's gone, and I don't want to go there. I'd like to have a full range of options available to me as opposed to it gets taken away and there are no options.
>> just to reflect on that, and I wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't at least say this once and then have you react. Which is that you will be seeing a reduction in the tax rate due to the hospital district switch. At this point we are within an eye lash of knowing the exact amount. We've had our meeting with maxwell, lok, ritter, so we will know know the size of that and I think it's fair to say it will be between 1.4 and 1.5 cents. It will be somewhere in that range. And you should know that the numbers work out that two-tenths of one penny, 2.002 does.one $.2 million. So that is a lever. You may choose never to pull it, but that's the way the mathematics works.
>> but here's the problem with that, christian, and that is that the folks who voted for the hospital district, and I happen to have been one of them, had expectations that yes indeed, the Travis County tax rate would drop.
>> yes, I understand that.
>> by that 1.4 cents. They didn't think we would rescoop it up and spend it so they would see zero relief on their county property taxes. In addition, anybody who lives outside the city of Austin will not only see that 1.4 cents stap on the county's side, they're fixing to be hit big time, words of dick cheney, related to the hospital district. They are going to be hit hard in terms of getting that bill from the hospital district. So you would be double hitting anybody who lives outside the city of Austin. I don't think that's what everybody's expectations are, so that the 1.4 cents is a deduct, but we're going to add it back in. I知 not going to go there. I don't think that's what people were told was going to happen.
>> reality check. Having gone through 15 markups, we will find a way to balance the budget without increasing taxes further. We have delayed making this decision three or four weeks. I laid out the best way I think we ought to deal with it. And there is nothing in law to keep us from revisiting any decisions we've already made. There are some reserve funds that could be tweaked a little bit to generate additional revenue for us. Nobody said markup is supposed to be easy. In fact, it was too easy last year. We had too much funds to approve an expenditure. But we have dealt with all the other compensation issues. I think we ought to deal with this one in the way that I have laid out unless there is a better way.
>> judge?
>> I知 almost done. As we start tomorrow morning identifying areas, in addition to what we identified today, and then start spending money and identify other items that we think are more critical than the ones that we have -- more critical than the ones we've approved, then we simply revisit it. We ought to do this every year anyway. We have three days markup and we have various items and need a report back on the status. So we need to take advantage of the three days and then we don't have to have this thing in concrete until late September. Unless we wait until October 1. But we have until September 21st or 28 if we take that long. So I feel real comfortable in our creative ability dozen this compensation, deal with the other items that we ought to fund during this budget process, otherwise I wouldn't have made the motion. If I am wrong, though, and a motion to revisit any of this is made, it would be appropriate. Commissioner Davis?
>> yes, judge. I think you laid it out adequately. I know we've all been working really hard to try to come up with a resolve so this issue. I mean, you just take a look at all of this paperwork here, all the proposals, all the different visits that we have inquired of pbo for them to come up with some type of resolve to see what we can do for compensation of the folks. Also, we were able to move right along extending the realm of the preliminary budget with the rank and file folks. We have not been able to be as expedient in dealing with the other folks, which is posing a real challenge to all of us. I for one -- and I can recall very vividly the discussions we had during the budget hearing about the columns and the goals and the things that were tried to be reached when it came to correction, law enforcement and others. And basically what was apparent the parity among the supervisors or the managers, lieutenants and sergeants on both sides. How do we bring about parity because the gaps are really -- have been widened tremendously. And there have been a lot of other things. How do we deal with that? We looked at that, and of course we came up with some figures to bring that situation in within those two groups, which was fine. I support that. But also, there has been a gap we discussed in the -- moij law enforcement officers. So we looked at -- instead of the preliminary budget being 2.75%, then we did a budget for all of pops. We looked at trying to narrow that done and giving them at least 2.25 over the 2.75, which would bring them to the correction officers to five percent. Of course, looking at the scheme of things of narrowing the gap, so -- with law enforcement. So this thing that we continue to support. However, flexibility is another issue that came up within that particular area as far as the managers in that officers being able to do what they want to do with the flexibility of money. So those topics were discussed and fleshed out very well. And here we are today still fleshing out or trying to hash out a resolve on how we get there. Now, if we look at the incremental of what's being proposed today, and we're looking at the overall incremental cost of 1 point -- when you total it up, it's really 1.25, which could be applied to everyone else. So you're really looking at a one percent differential between the correctional officers and law enforcement, a four percent versus a five percent. So that the gap that we want to formulate? I don't know. It appears to me, though, that if we're going to increment, it should be incremented all across, not only for the correctional officers, but if we're going to increment one, we've got to be consistent not only for the correctional officers, but I think we've also applied that to the managers in this particular case. (indiscernible). So I知 kind of concerned about that part of it. If we're going do it, let's do it where we can still keep the margins at where it was at, but also narrow the gap, so I think it's pretty important that we stay consistent if we're going to do that. We've had to struggle on long time on this Commissioners court dealing with different issues. We've had major challenges. I feel good about the things that we have accomplished over the past. And I just think this is a major challenge, and judge, I really wish you could go over there and reduce the -- and I know -- and I would like to see if you would accept this as a friendly, would be that you reduce half of that $507,000 and you reduce it to half of that, so if you could go ahead and bring that back -- because that is the true parity. If we don't address parity, which has really been a big, big problem. If we don't address the true parity of these things, then again here we are going through another year, and I think it's something we need to continue to do is look at -- we're just addressing half of the parity. And of course it still exists. So I知 still kind of concerned about that. I think the numbers will reflect that in the end. And of course the true parity was the $507,000 for the sergeants in the correction nal facility. You -- correctional facility. I would really like that as friendly if you would accept it. That would be great. To keep everybody at the same consistent parity. The increment on one would be incremented to all on both sides.
>> I知 looking at dollars, and my thinking was -- let's take, for example, five percent of 45,000 would be about the same as four percent of 50. I just pulled those numbers out of the air. The dollars would be about the same increase. To be honest, I was looking at the available revenue as well as trying to keep the gap where it was, so I wasn't trying to close the gap. I was trying to keep the gap from ploas closing up. Let's hear from the sheriff and the auditor, and then come back to the court.
>> well, I think -- obviously it depends on whether you're talking about gaps in dollars or gaps in percentage as part of the issue.
>> I知 talking about dollars myself.
>> well, that's the court's -- I知 just saying that that's the difference there. On the supervisors, I do think that part of what needs to happen is that we really need to look at the relationship of everybody on these scales and decide who should be on the same scale and who should not be. And because I do think that what we have happen -- it seems like every year is that there are certain groups who work very hard to have issues brought before the court and talk to the court and work with the sheriff, and then at the end we have other folks who come up and go, me too, me too. And it wind up sometimes skewing the costs. So I do think that one of the things that needs to happen is look at the relationship of all these to each other. So I strongly support the judge's position on that. As far as the percentages, Commissioner Gomez, our law enforcement will continue to -- we had kind of said we wanted to keep within around seven percent of the Austin police department, with the idea of the vehicle, but part of the reality is that depending on what the city of Austin chooses to do, whether or not that was a goal that can be continued to be met. And I知 -- I think that it's -- the judge's proposal is certainly one that folks should -- the different members of the associations are here. I would think that given raises in the fast they should embrace the proposal.
>> and I want to address the public safety issue. And I guess that's what the original intention of pops. And -- but I totally agree that we need to look at this for next year and we need to take plenty of time to look at it. Because it should not be possible for me to go out and get my peace officer status so I can be part of pops. But that shouldn't happen. And what do I contribute to public safety? I mean, i'd love to and drive better, not have any wrecks and not put anybody out there in danger for being in my past in any way, with or without automobiles. I think we need to look at it. It's real clear that we need to look at this for next year.
>> I am concerned and there's been so many numbers tossed around, I知 not quite sure where we're at, and I understand that the court can undo tomorrow what they've done today. And there are other needs, including our cold case detectives. And although the compensation issues are there, you have to fund the basic services first, whether it be in the sheriff's office or other places. So that's one of my concerns, is to whether or not there would be funds left in those resources.
>> if we were to look at --
>> I dream of doing that. [ laughter ]
>> judge, there's a delay in some of the compensation issues, and we are looking at the effect for the next fiscal year. How would it work?
>> if you wanted to spend a dollar --
>> I知 just asking a question, please.
>> you are making a commitment to spend a dollar over a 12-month period. Whether it's a dollar or a million dollars. If you start it and budget it in '05, you appropriate a dollar and you spend a dollar. If you want to have a six-month delay on any compensation increase, you still are making a commitment for that dollar. You're just splitting it, half in '05 and half in '06. You will save, quote unquote, money in '05, but you will start in '06 eating your way out of that hole before you do anything different. So it is a choice. We used to do it. We got away from it because what we were doing was starting our next fiscal year having to accommodate the expenditure decisions of the year before. And that's how we started this annualization reserve and it's generally worked. But it is a choice. We would urge you to not face '06 in a negative position on day one, but we've done it before. If you want to do it, we'll work with you.
>> not me.
>> susan?
>> mine is an implementation issue. We would like to see the logical structure, whatever you're recommending or where you think you're going, so I can analyze whether -- if it requires us to create more scale, scale can be adjusted, and how long that's going to take. So I hadn't seen that. It's simply an implementation issue. I know you wouldn't want to do something that would require three people. That's a waste of money.
>> just two. Just two people is all you get. [ laughter ]
>> I don't want any more people.
>> but just make sure that what we have can be implemented on the system. So if bill can get with charles and we'll get back to you if there's some disaster there on implementation.
>> is there any indication that the implementation might be troublesome. That's a good red flag to know about.
>> if it passes we ask that you give the basic information to susan and as ues, you can let us know in a couple of days.
>> whatever impacts us. I知 speaking for y'all too.
>> just for the record, it is not my thinking that this is a perfect scheme. This is an idea that I had. Everybody that chatted with me gave suggestions that made all the sense in the world. And I left each meeting convinced that the points raised were meritorious and I wanted to figure out a way to fund them. But at some point I really had to look at available resources. And that's how I landed here. And I知 also aware that there are big issues on the agenda that we need to try to address during this budget cycle. Again, tomorrow morning we'll try to do this thing.
>> judge? Just looking back at the math of this thing -- and I知 going back to the parity of numbers for the directional lieutenants and sergeants to be brought up to parity with the law enforcement sergeants and lieutenants would cost $507,834. And if -- in the proposal itself you have with the incremental cost for the 70 lieutenants and sergeants on the correctional side would cost an additional $64,696. If that was totaled on to that already adjusted parity figure, it would be $517,335, which would leave the parity at that time. It's just something to consider. Of course, I never did get the figure for the correctional officers at all. And as far as the -- the $715,150, if it was incremental. Or 1.25, we slide that right across a bill, what would that amount be for the correctional officers? Not knocking what the law enforcement is getting, but if that 1.25% was included with the vig of $715,150, what would be that for the -- what would that be for the correctional officers?
>> I知 not sure.
>> it's already in there.
>> it's already in there. That's 2.25%.
>> yeah, but the point is that -- the point is that with the 1.25 that's given to the law enforcement, the correctional officers stay the same. They didn't get that incremental bump as they did in your example with the lieutenants and sergeants on correctional side, the 70, with that same incremental bump.
>> what occurs with the correctional sergeants and lieutenants is not a percent increase, but rather a pay grade change. That extra percent is simply to keep whole the pay grade change because the law enforcement people got the 1.25%. It doesn't apply to the -- to just the simple sliding of a pay scale itself for the corrections officers.
>> so the difference would still be just one percent between --
>> there would be a one percent further increase to the corrections folks relative to the law enforcement group.
>> the difference would be one percent. That was the point I was bringing up, was above that one percent, and it was if it was 2.25% originally. It didn't move, in other words, it stayed constant. So that's what I was trying --
>> it depends on when you apply the 50%. Do you do the four and five percent and then apply the 16% or do you do it beforehand?
>> the problem too is he's going to bump up the lieutenants and sergeants at law enforcement. These numbers keep growing and growing and growing.
>> they're not growing beyond 1.28.
>> what I知 saying is I have issues with the word parity. Every time we use the term parity people think I need to be getting the exact same dollar amount as somebody else. I think christian laid is out. Everybody wants to be matched to the person making the most money. I don't blame anybody for that, but I think I have to put something here on the record. In meeting with the two sheriff's associations, throughout this fiscal year with the folks from corrections, they were doing okay with 2.75%. They were. That was the number they thought was going to be plugged in, was going to be half of whatever rank and file were going to get. That number was there up until days before the preliminary budget is out. And then all of a sudden, no, we want five, seven or 10 percent, which basically says we want the same amount as rank and file or even more. The same thing is what's going on with the law enforcement association. I thought that if they got 2.75 that's doing good, at the same time we are getting the firing range. Hopefully the court will consider the good things like the cold case unit. Certainly we'd like more money rather than less money, but now all of a sudden everybody is wanting more, more, more. And I don't think we can afford what the Austin police department has done related to their law enforcement officers. I applaud them for doing with those numbers, but I don't think those numbers are sus city of Austinable -- sustainable. And if law enforcement wants those numbers and corrections wants those numbers, everybody wants the most money of whoever else is on the scale, and I just don't think that these numbers are sustainable. And I知 blown away by what I thought were good, safe discussions going on with the court throughout this year that, gee, if we got half of what rank and file did -- because they went two years without a raise and we only went one year without a raise, now I知 finding that the demands are -- that was all just bunk. And I still don't know if we have corrections officers who are going to be seeking to get collective bargaining. Are you? They're still going to try to seek collective bargaining. So this is not going to placate anybody out there. Let's not kid ourselves. They're going after collective bargaining, which is their right according to the petition drive and you take it to the public. But they're not satisfied with this. They're still going after collective bargaining. Which is your right. But I知 just blown away by all these numbers. And I still want to do something related to getting the lieutenants and sergeants on corrections in a better place, but the word parity bugs me, and even they said, gee, we don't mind if it comes over two years because we get it, there are other people besides us in this budget. And so when it comes down to when we actually vote, I知 not going to support this motion, and it doesn't mean that I respect everybody in this -- that I don't respect everybody in this process, but I think it's a horrible message to everyone else who works for Travis County that once again, if you've got clout in your association, your words can drawn out everybody else's in these debates, and that's a shame.
>> well, I don't think that that clout in an association per swaidz me one way or another when I voted on the raise for rank and file, or when I voted for elected officials, like the judges and the county clerk, etcetera. I considered to myself doing the right thing based on the total facts. I don't think that a better idea today is doing nothing. And I知 questioned on this job everyday. I知 questioned to do the right thing. And if I can't take that, I move on basically. Any more discussion of the motion?
>> go ahead.
>> well, I don't have any problem at all voting on this today. I mean, I was ready to vote on this, if I hadn't found $1.3 million. Because, as I said, I -- I think that you have to pay people that are willing to wear something to protect themselves to go out and do their job, and that is the number one -- if you ask people what are they willing to pay taxes for, they'll tell you law enforcement, e.m.s. And fire. Those three. That's what people pay their taxes for, and they expect a number of other things, but those are really the heart felt feelings of most people, I think. You know, there's a lot of history here with how this thing got off. And I can't fault anybody for that. I know that the court made as conscientious an effort as they could. They knew some people were going to get upset. I had another breakfast this morning and I think I will be much more prepared next year and I知 going to ask everybody, from investigators to parks people, everybody that has something to do with law enforcement, have a day and a half with me where we have a facilitator and I really understand exactly everybody's feelings about what they do, what's expected of them. And I think that it will be an enlightening day and a half for me. And I invite anybody that would like to come along. But I intend to use the folks and I know the sheriff said by god you better take in protective gear.
>> I will do my best. It will fit funny because it's a female vest, but i'll loan it to you.
>> I understand it's a good challenge, sheriff. I need to be educated and I need to understand who works on the weekends, who works at night, who works all the crazy hours, all the different things that go along with people that are in, quote, law enforcement. I mean, I -- the reason that I want to vote for this is because I want to lock in -- and I realize that you can always bring it back as people talk about. But we need to move forward on compensation for law enforcement. Now, I suppose that we could try to find another $253,000 to bring the half up to full, and i'd certainly be happy with doing that. What does it mean with markup? It means that you go through markup pretty quick. And I realize that we have some difference of opinions on the court, but I think we we we set out -- our major goal this year was compensation for employees. I think that that is the major theme of this year, knowing that employees have sat in the wings for two, three years without compensation, even though pops and some of the people have gotten some where other people haven't gotten. Moralewise, yes. Commissioner of precinct 3 generally says, you know, I think that we need to have a smaller workforce. Generally running county government so that you can compensate everybody more or what they are due. I don't know that i'll ever, you know, accomplish that, but I知 happy with -- that we're going to keep the folks at the county, then let's find a way to keep the morale up, try to find a way to compensate them. Law enforcement certainly needs to be considered, along with everybody else, and I look forward to voting on this right now. I wish we could vote for me. I think the bigger question for me is what do we have to do with the hospital district? I mean, we have got to have dollars to come. We know those numbers are all over the board. We do have to do this. People voted for it and it is on our financial statement, which means that we've got to make sure that we allow the hospital district to get off the ground. So we know we'll have to spend dollars there. I think -- judge, I think that you've thought this thing out. Everybody would probably like to have a little more and we probably would like to have some areas where people have been brought up to what they've asked for, which was full -- I guess not to use the word parity, but to match the other group. We're not going to be able to do it right now. We're already showing that law enforcement has given, that they've gotten raises which some of the other people haven't gotten. We're basically appropriating 5.75 to rank and file across the board. Can I live with five percent and four percent, which is technically what we're doing with law enforcement? I suppose. I知 happy to vote on this thing.
>> anything else from the court?
>> (indiscernible). Judge, on your particular motion, I agree with everything that you put forth in your motion, with the exception of the issue of bringing us the law enforcement and also the correctional officers, lieutenants and sergeants into parity. And that amount was $572,530. And along with that, the 1.25% in incremental movement on the correctional officers, which would bring that up to 6 and a quarter percent. So I would like to make that particular motion, with everything else intact as far as what you have here with everyone else.
>> okay, the motion is what now, to increase?
>> to increase the lieutenant and sergeants parity amount from 574 to 4 430, an incremental movement from 2.5% on the correctional officers instead of the 5.7. It will actually be 6.24%?
>> this would have the effect of adding the other $253,917.
>> exactly.
>> and the total amount then would be 1,536,000, $631.
>>
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>> ...back to the original motion. Which by the figures set out in bill's handwriting memo and total 1 continue to $282,714,000,000. All in favor of that motion? Show Commissioners Gomez, Daugherty and yours truly --
>> no, I abstain. I look forward to do this later in markup but I知 not going to vote for it and take it back.
>> Commissioner Sonleitner abstains. P.b.o., Tomorrow morning at 9:00, your mission is come up with about $2 million of ongoing heavy new for us. You do not have choice of accepting or rejecting this assignment. [laughter]
>> sure.
>> thank you all very much. Anything else on this item?
>> no, sir.

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