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Travis County Commissioners Court

September 7, 2004
Item 5

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Now, christian, while we have you there and allen in the audience, 5 is consider and take appropriate action on proposed changes to budget rules for '05. Christian set out the changes in the budget rules. Any suggestions or highlights we should hear?
>> I also sent out an e-mail to members of court on some additional changes that were made subsequent to the agenda being submitted to --
>> and is that in your August 30th memo or no?
>> that would have been an e-mail from Friday. So I don't think --
>> did you cover those four things? I don't think i've seen those.
>> in addition to the changes I submitted with the agenda backup, there were three minor changes to the budget rules. The first one is adding some language on page 12 to allow p.b.o. To correct scrivener errors, type pose. I can read that language out to you. It's a little wordy, but it met everyone's satisfaction. Ought mat eubgs budget adjustments may be made at p.b.o.'s dregs to correct administrative or technical errors. They through but are not limited to misstated line items. If the reupb or oral description associated with or attached to the budget transfer cleaver indicates that slightly different line item number was intended. In addition p.b.o. Has the authority to process automatic budget adjustments needed to correct negative line items and personnel [inaudible]. That last sentence is already in the rules. I didn't mean to repeat that.
>> that make sense to p.b.o.?
>> yes.
>> any issues from the court?
>> there was also -- it's been through the auditor's office and they were all right that change as well. There were two small changes to what was submitted. On page 19 the sentence -- a sentence related to jury sequestration. I can't ever pronounce that. The current wording of the cash fund will be set up for each judge hearing criminal cases. We would like to change it to a cash fund may be set up for each judge. That matches current practice. The third change is on page 11. The sentence that was in the original said specific review by Commissioners court approval. It wasn't correct wording. It need to do read specific sraoe and approval by Commissioners court. And we made those changes.
>> there's been one other recommendation. Commissioner Davis has a recommendation that didn't get incorporated into due to the last week. It had already been submitted to the court, the budget rules. Commissioner Davis has -- is recommending and I think Commissioner Davis, if you want me to read your recommendation.
>> go ahead. That would be appropriate.
>> insert act or paragraph following rule 5 a personnel budgets, he would like to --
>> what page are we on? We have none of this.
>> I understand.
>> is there a page?
>> page 13. I can read the sentence. It's real straightforward. The departments are required to utilize permanent salary savings to increase green circle positions to the minimum of the pay grade. Do you want to kphoepbt that?
>> it's page 14 in what was submitted as agenda backup.
>> I don't have a page 14.
>> personnel budgets.
>> we go from 13 to 15.
>> I’m sorry, I don't know how it could have happened.
>> we give you an a for saving paper, allen. We didn't know it was unintentional.
>> I can certainly submit you a fullback-up that includes page 14.
>> basically to use salary savings to cover --
>> there were no changes on page 14 from the original budget rules.
>> and the reason for that is that if you notice over the years the incremental increase in green circled employees, the numbers continue to increment each year. And of course, some of the basic problems, I guess, is funding at the discretionary use of the department heads, and that funding in their budget is apparently not going towards some of the green circled employees that I think it should go to. And of course that number can increment and if folks really want to know what that is, what we're talking about, we're saying about a person may be working in a position making, an example, $20 an hour, and of course he's been -- the [inaudible] and all these analyses say that person should be making that much, however, they are only being paid $15 an hour. It's to bring those persons up to where this should be making the money as far as what they have been surveyed as the market has dictated. So, again, it's just to take those salary savings to address that and bring those persons that are green circled into where they really should be as far as the market. And so that was really the purpose of using the permanent savings toward that end to bring to minimum so we can kind of bring those numbers down. It's just another tool to address the green circled employees.
>> isn't that more like a vote of the court as opposed you don't incorporate something like that into the budget rules. That's a policy question. I think it's a good one, gut this is our budget rules and this is how we turn stuff into jose. You had your say, would you mind if I --
>> I wasn't through yet.
>> yes, you had completed and you had stopped and I was responding back. I think it's a real issue --
>> let me play county judge. Let's let Commissioner Sonleitner finish, then it will be your turn.
>> I have a real issue with people submitting proposed budget rules orally on the dais when this has been out here now, alan, what, a couple of weeks now in terms of anybody who needed to have suggestions needed to get them to p.b.o. We don't have any copy in front of us. We have something orally being given to me which my first instinct is that doesn't sound like a budget rule, that sounds like a policy as to how we're going to handle green circles in the same way we had a policy related to red lines. There's not a budget rule on red lines, it's something we do on an annual basis. So I just -- I just cannot believe we're getting something orally on the dais here on a budget rule that hasn't been shared with anybody until 11:09 on the day we're going to at a time up.
>> one suggestion may be that rather than include it in the budget rules that there be a general discussion with personnel compensation policies where I believe red lined and green lined employees are discussed and the use of departmental savings to give promotional raises and the like. Irrelevant haven't spoken to h.r. About this, but I’m sure this would fall under their policy guidelines related to compensation and the like.
>> Commissioner Davis.
>> okay. Thank you. It was brought up again, it was basically discussing what the situation was on that as far as addressing the green circled employees. However, I know we have included this the budget rules in the past different things that may roll to ending fund balance. Those situations like that as far as what to do with those moneys. Of course my concern at this time was -- was it could be applicable and I think it still should be incorporated in the budget rules because that governs the budget. And of course it may be a policy discussion also. That's not to say it can't be all even come compassing. But I think it needs to reside in two places. The budget rules -- here's what the rules are. You come here and you have permanent -- you have a permanent salary savings in your budget, then it should be applicable to address green circled employees. And that, in my opinion, is part of the budge he will rule. Everybody got their even interpretation. That's my interpretation of how we can use it and I think it can co-exist and I think it's all encompassing whether it's a budget rule or a policy. And I think it needs to reside in both places and I think it residing here, I think is just as eloquent and just as appropriate as anywhere else. Whether it's policy or rules. So that's my argument on that.
>> can we hear that language again, then let's hear from the human resources director.
>> yeah. Departments are required to utilize permanent salary savings to increase green circle positions to the minimum of the pay grade.
>> would you enlightenous a that?
>> that has a type of decision that's typically been made as a policy determination after you allocate the general compal allocation, we come back to you of course with implementation type parameters which we recognize could change from year to year. In prior years it's been not a part of the budget rules but as a policy. I believe the court last week made a decision that you would be looking at the green circled matter in markup, and I don't know, you are supposed to begin markup -- you begin markup on tomorrow, and I think the decision also, just to remind the viewing audience on red lined was made last week that it would not be added to base. So this is just sort of recapping --
>> the good news is this is September 7th, and we have until October 1 to have this in place. So why don't we have a revised draft of proposed changes tomorrow or the next day for us to review with an eye toward making this decision next Tuesday? There were other changes that were brought to our attention earlier, right? In addition to the one regarding green item employees. Can we put them all in one format so we can see what the changes are? Now, those of us with -- -we cannot contact one another without violating the law. Let's just let alan know so he can share them with the court not tpaor bead back from us, but so we will know what the feedback with an eye toward moving next Tuesday. How is that? Does that get us where we need to go? In terms of permanent salary savings, there are salary savings part of which we budget, right? So we're talking about salary savings beyond what's budgeted.
>> and what we're -- what the Commissioner was looking at were in the event that you had a position that paid, say, $30,000 and you replace that position, that person left and someone come in at 25,000, those are ongoing permanent salary savings. And what he's suggesting is that there be a rule that the department utilize those permanent salary savings as a priority to address the green circled positions if in fact that department has any.
>> that's my understanding.
>> and if we decide to go down this path, the question is whether we require that that be done or whether we encourage or request or a softer verb.
>> right.
>> quick question. Would the departments have full knowledge of what the impact of that particular rule is before we adopted it? And here's why I say that. If we had 5.75% going to the departments and we've already said and we want 4% going to the cola, that leaves 1.75%. And I think the departments would want to know so it could properly comment on that. Will the 1.75 get -- cover their green circles knowing in a a few of those departments were going from $8 to $9 -- no, 9 to 10.
>> 10.
>> yeah, going up the one dollar on the minimum wage as well. They would like to know what they've got left so if indeed we did that policy do they even have anything left for performance pay or not. I think they are entitled to information before we would adopt any kind of a rule like that. What's the impact of the green circle rule that Commissioner Davis just said on the different departments knowing there is 4% cola, knowing there are things that happen within pops, things that happen on minimum pay rage, just so that they know that.
>> we'll get with h.r. --
>> [inaudible] next week's discussion.

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