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Travis County Commssioners Court
March 11, 2003

The Closed Caption log for this Commissioners Court agenda item is provided by Travis County Internet Services. Since this file is derived from the Closed Captions created during live cablecasts, there are occasional spelling and grammatical errors. This Closed Caption log is not an official record the Commissioners Court Meeting and cannot be relied on for official purposes. For official records please contact the County Clerk at (512) 854-4722.

Item 23

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>> oh, much more than that.
>> well, or three million?
>> close to four. Cler cler.
>> and one of the things that we were going to look into, given that we felt like that part of at least our problems on our landfill out there might be the flea market, have we found out anything about that? Have we contacted the landlord and let him broach that subject with the flea market?
>> well, that's actually something that I think -- we'd be happy to call him and let him know that that's the approach that we're taking, but I don't think that we can really start pointing fingers or cutting deals until we get the survey information that tells us exactly, hey, you know, we've got a lot of depression problems, subsidence problems on your side of the fence. These are going to take x amount of resources to take care of. And we could use a little assistance on your side. That's one example. Although I don't have a problem at all with making the first phone call and saying, you know, these are the steps that we're taking. This is the situation where ian with tceq and -- just he did up. We're going to pull the agreement -- the first thing we need to do, of course, is pull the agreement and get that to legal counsel and begin to have a firm idea of should things get rough where we stand.
>> we have a contract with these guys. How are we indemnified for anything, john? If something doesn't work, would the plan that they give us to come in and to fix this problem and -- is there x amount of days that we have that -- if we come back with another issue, that we have to go back to them and say we've got another issue, start the meter again? How is that done?
>> you're talking about the relationship with the contractor or with --
>> with the contractor.
>> I suppose there's just contract indemnification clauses there.
>> yeah. I think if they do work for us and there's what you might characterize as a professional error or omission, then yeah, the standard contract language requires them to indemnify us, hold us harmless. They basically have to pay for that. If they are exercising their best professional judgment and it's not a mistake or error on their part, but just -- give their best professional judgment and it turned out not to work, then they would not have to indemnify us for something like that.
>> and I wasn't -- and I guess really my final question on this thing is as it states here, with this modification, the total contract price takes us over the original contract, you know, a sizeable amount.
>> uh-huh.
>> can you tell me why?
>> yeah. This speaks to just the challenge of this problem. I mean, we've had, I guess, -- the iteration of several different best estimates of what the solution would be. And in this case, as I have explained to y'all primarily in executive session, I guess, that you have nature involved here and you also have some technology that's being early well experimented with here because there's not a good example to go to to say that this will definitely do it forever and we're done. As we found out even with our meeting with tceq, in their opinion we had the wettest landfill that they're aware of in the state, closed landfill. So we just have unique challenges here that have required us to respond. And that's why when I was asked the question, what do you think could keep us in a more proactive stance, I hate it say it, but my answer had to be corporate financial flexibility because we've got to be able to get ahead of the problem when we see it coming instead of coming around and answering to it after the fact. I wish I could give you better answers. This site has been the bane of some of our careers. It just has been.
>> so we thought that the whole leachate collection system was going to work and that was going to be sufficient, and then it turns out that it wasn't. And then in terms of trying to get a solution tied tide in with the city of Austin of trying to tie into their wastewater system, we were hoping it would work a certain way in terms of tying into the system and it turns out we had to do a whole bunch of stuff before we would be allowed to get our stuff into there. So it's not for lack of, I think, good effort or due diligence on this part, it's just that we had to keep responding to rapidly changing conditions and, of course, the requirements of the city in terms of what it would take to tie into their system, they were able to dictate that, and I think they had good reason to say what they did. And we did that too.
>> and luckily we -- I think it has worked until environmental conditions that we had no control over basically overcame that system. And we've got it right now to try to catch up, but when you've got a big mass of water, it just takes time from the system that you've got in place to catch up and do that.
>> lots of -- [ inaudible ]
>> as we mentioned, we will be improving that system with some of the construction that will result from the design that's before you today.
>> [ inaudible ] so that the leachate seepage, that this should take care of that problem with the design of the french drains and that too. I think it's something that we need to do. And I have no problem with this. I would like to go to approval of item 23.
>> second.
>> any more discussion? All in favor? That passes by unanimous vote.
>> thanks.
>> thank you.


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